Posted by Johny B Good on March 6, 2014, 3:18 pm
On Thu, 06 Mar 2014 06:43:20 -0700, RobertMacy
>On Thu, 06 Mar 2014 05:38:31 -0700, Johny B Good
>
>>> ...snip....
>>
>> So, a bunch of electronically selectable and 'steerable magnetic
>> detector arrays' plus a shitload of electronics then?
>>
>> I suppose it might be do-able today (Hell! who'd have thought we'd
>> have microprocessor chips with transistor counts measured in hundreds
>> of millions (last figure I saw was 135 Million nearly a decade ago).
>>
>> Seems to be an incredibly 'over-engeered' solution' just to save the
>> need to isolate the conductors to take a current measurement though.
>
>
>My guess at material cost for using 'available' components, around $00,
>and DSP processing at much less than $00
>
>Well it's for people who want to do something and not be noticed doing
>it. Especially undetectably tapping a single phone line from 1 to 3 feet
>away, through a wall for example, then use a short range 'retransmit' to
>get it out without tracking the contact back to yourself. package
>something like that in a wad of tar, so it looks innocuous, like tar
>dripped from the ceiling onto the cabling, etc.
Well, it's obviously something you've given some thought to
(hopefully more as a "thought experiment" rather than out of
professional involvement).
"Ah, Technology, thou art a cruel mistress with thy double edged
sword."
You seem to be suggesting a 'de-weaponised' commercialised
application of "Spook Technology". Should we be worried?
--
Regards, J B Good
Posted by Vaughn on March 7, 2014, 8:49 pm
On 3/7/2014 2:26 PM, Neon John wrote:
>
> If this guy is geared up for truly high volume production like the
> Kill-A-Watt then I bet he has less than $0 in the board.
>
I don't remember seeing you post in a while John. Good to hear from you!
Vaughn
Posted by ObamaNocare on March 23, 2014, 9:14 am
> On 3/5/2014 7:04 PM, mike wrote:
>> On 3/5/2014 3:31 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>> On 3/5/2014 6:16 PM, Congoleum Breckenridge wrote:
>>>>
>>>> www.quirky.com/blog/post/2014/03/mind-your-watts-introducing-reter/
>>>>
>>>> I can't believe this will work, since it's clamped around both H&N
>>>> wires.
>>>
>>> The ammeter I've got requires a splitter,
>>> for that reason. I'm suspicious.
>>>
>> Read the links.
>> The technology exists.
>> But it depends on the physical arrangement of the wires in the cable.
>> Standard flat two-wire cable, maybe.
>> Twisted 3-wire cable of unknown internal dimensions, not so much.
>> I wonder more about what powers the wifi.
>>
>> In the real world, I expect the unknown cables will be problematic.
>>
>>
>> How many devices do you have that don't plug in and also have
>> access to the power cable and it's only 2-wire?
>> Water heater? nope
>> Stove? nope
>> Furnace/AC? nope
>> And do I need an iphone to monitor it?
>> KillAWatt is a better investment.
>>
>> Also in the real world, accuracy isn't necessary.
>> Energy savings is all about relative usage. Less is better.
>>
>> You need two rules.
>> 1) If you're not using it, unplug it.
>> But you can't unplug devices where this might be useful.
>> 2) Don't use it.
>>
>> You don't need any measurements to do this.
>> Shorter showers cost less. So take shorter showers.
>>
>> Mike's metrology maxim...
>> Never measure anything if the answer won't affect your
>> future behavior.
>> I know that a shower costs me about 13-cents. Am I gonna
>> shower half as long to save 6.5-cents??? NO!
>
> I put a power meter on my water heater at the end of 2008.
> The family was using $.73 per day to heat water. Then my daughter went
> to college, now our hot water costs about $.01.
That's pretty efficient. What is your brand name for electric water heater?
Can you give me more info?
> btw. I didn't save money with her in college :-)
>
> Oh, I don't see how that can work with both wires running through it.
> Mikek
>
>
Posted by ObamaNocare on March 23, 2014, 9:19 am
>
>> On 3/5/2014 7:04 PM, mike wrote:
>>> On 3/5/2014 3:31 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>>> On 3/5/2014 6:16 PM, Congoleum Breckenridge wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> www.quirky.com/blog/post/2014/03/mind-your-watts-introducing-reter/
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't believe this will work, since it's clamped around both H&N
>>>>> wires.
>>>>
>>>> The ammeter I've got requires a splitter,
>>>> for that reason. I'm suspicious.
>>>>
>>> Read the links.
>>> The technology exists.
>>> But it depends on the physical arrangement of the wires in the cable.
>>> Standard flat two-wire cable, maybe.
>>> Twisted 3-wire cable of unknown internal dimensions, not so much.
>>> I wonder more about what powers the wifi.
>>>
>>> In the real world, I expect the unknown cables will be problematic.
>>>
>>>
>>> How many devices do you have that don't plug in and also have
>>> access to the power cable and it's only 2-wire?
>>> Water heater? nope
>>> Stove? nope
>>> Furnace/AC? nope
>>> And do I need an iphone to monitor it?
>>> KillAWatt is a better investment.
>>>
>>> Also in the real world, accuracy isn't necessary.
>>> Energy savings is all about relative usage. Less is better.
>>>
>>> You need two rules.
>>> 1) If you're not using it, unplug it.
>>> But you can't unplug devices where this might be useful.
>>> 2) Don't use it.
>>>
>>> You don't need any measurements to do this.
>>> Shorter showers cost less. So take shorter showers.
>>>
>>> Mike's metrology maxim...
>>> Never measure anything if the answer won't affect your
>>> future behavior.
>>> I know that a shower costs me about 13-cents. Am I gonna
>>> shower half as long to save 6.5-cents??? NO!
>>
>> I put a power meter on my water heater at the end of 2008.
>> The family was using $.73 per day to heat water. Then my daughter went
>> to college, now our hot water costs about $.01.
>
> That's pretty efficient. What is your brand name for electric water
> heater?
> Can you give me more info?
>
Furthermore, how do you separate water heater from cooking and drying
clothes? Those are very high-power consumption.
a.. Money
b.. Energy bills
Energy bills rise by 37% in three years
Gas and electricity prices are rising at up to eight times the rate of
earnings, warns Citizens Advice
-Bob
Posted by Stormin Mormon on March 23, 2014, 11:36 am
On 3/23/2014 5:19 AM, ObamaNocare wrote:
>
>>
>>> I put a power meter on my water heater at the end of 2008.
>>> The family was using $.73 per day to heat water. Then my daughter
>>> went to college, now our hot water costs about $.01.
>>
>> That's pretty efficient. What is your brand name for electric water
>> heater?
>> Can you give me more info?
>>
>
> Furthermore, how do you separate water heater from cooking and drying
> clothes? Those are very high-power consumption.
>
I want to hear about the college that teaches
lower energy bills. Of course with the liberal
agenda, they likely all do.
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>
>>> ...snip....
>>
>> So, a bunch of electronically selectable and 'steerable magnetic
>> detector arrays' plus a shitload of electronics then?
>>
>> I suppose it might be do-able today (Hell! who'd have thought we'd
>> have microprocessor chips with transistor counts measured in hundreds
>> of millions (last figure I saw was 135 Million nearly a decade ago).
>>
>> Seems to be an incredibly 'over-engeered' solution' just to save the
>> need to isolate the conductors to take a current measurement though.
>
>
>My guess at material cost for using 'available' components, around $00,
>and DSP processing at much less than $00
>
>Well it's for people who want to do something and not be noticed doing
>it. Especially undetectably tapping a single phone line from 1 to 3 feet
>away, through a wall for example, then use a short range 'retransmit' to
>get it out without tracking the contact back to yourself. package
>something like that in a wad of tar, so it looks innocuous, like tar
>dripped from the ceiling onto the cabling, etc.