Low voltage off-grid systems - Page 4

 I wonder where we are right now then?

You have never been right when you have "called me" on supposed
defficiencies. Not once. That's because I'm actually out there doing
it, not pretending on usenet.

 
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Well, there you are folks, three posts of pointless drivel from the
man who has set up a group that you can join as long as you kiss his
ass daily.

Steve, you are without a doubt a class act.

Doing! Fat chance. You post drivel like a shopping list and call it
design. When questioned you whine that if you post the numbers I would
use them to ridicule you.

Perhaps you deserve to be ridiculed. After all, given the number of
quality composting toilets on the market you want people to crap in a
bucket. You are twenty years and more out of date.

Doing? Like your system, which is nothing more than a generator system
with wind and solar backup. The only way you can prove otherwise is to
post real numbers  and you can't do that because you know that I can
show what the numbers really mean in a format that anyone can test.

Your system and mine. Much the same sort of set up. The difference is
that you struggle to do a third of what I do and you use twice the
energy to do it. And you have the gall to start a discussion group on
low voltage off grid systems. The truth is that you don't have a clue.

Want to score a point. Post real honest to God numbers for your
system, here in these groups, in your next post.

OR

Take yourself off to your censored, safe little groups and don't come
back to usenet.

I don't pretend, I have designed and built more systems than you will
ever see, and every one of them worked as designed from the moment
they were switched on.

Want to mix it with the big boys, well here's your chance. Put up, or
shut up. After all you are so great and I'm, according to you, never
right. Ah, but then your numbers won't stand up, will they? In fact
nothing you do will stand up to testing will it?

I called you on your shopping list design, and what happened? You
failed to provide the actual design while whining how I would only use
the numbers against you.

When it comes to system design, the numbers are the design. If the
numbers don't add up then your design is flawed. If the numbers are
correct there is no way that I can make them say different.

This is your big chance. My bet is that you can't cut the mustard. A
rock and a hard place, if you don't post, you lose, If you do post,
your numbers will show that I'm right. You still lose.

So, are you a man, or, a sniveling little whiner?

 On Jan 23, 1:54 am, beal...@gmail.com wrote:

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24 hours and the result is...

Sniveling little whiner.

When it comes down to the reality of numbers, and let's face up to the
reality that the numbers are the basis for design, wayne, steve and
the rest of the daisy chain gang have nothing to say.

 
Well, while we wait for Steve to decide his status as man or sniveler
lets look at a simple truth.

Anyone can build a working system. A panel, a regulator, a battery and
a bit of wire are all you need.

It will work. Well, for a given definition of work. But it will work.

But what if you need to supply a defined load, like a whole house?
Well, first you have to define the load. This will actually be a
number of loads consisting of appliances and lighting.

12Volt DC systems require that you have imagination and skills.

Once you have defined the loads, made adjustments - based on wants and
needs, you will have your basic design.

It is always best to start with your needs. i.e.  You might want ten
down lights in the kitchen. But, you need a light in the kitchen.

Now because you need a light in the kitchen you put one in the middle
of the room. Of course this means that wherever you stand at a bench
you cast a shadow on what you are doing.

That's ok we'll just put in a few down lights. So you put all the
fittings in and rush off to wall mart and buy a passel of dichroic
lamps. Well why not, they're only a buck each.

20 W or 50 W, that's the usual choice. Well they are the same price so
lets take the 50s.

Alright, now there are no shadows, but your running 500 Watts of
lighting, and that doesn't count the light in the middle of the room.

No problem, just use the twenty's instead. That's better, now you are
only using 200 Watts + the light in the middle of the room.

At this point Steve is at his limit. He cannot advance beyond this
point, simply because he does not know anything beyond the average
consumer tripe.

Now my house is almost all 12 Volt. The only things that run off the
inverter are the computer, printer and sometimes the cake mixer.

In the lounge room and office there could be as much as 33 Watts of
lighting at the same time. That's 13 down lights a reading light.

This is beyond Steves comprehension.

Want to find out more. This is the group.

 
After reading the posts here I did subscribe.  But I'm afraid you
still are one of those usenet imbeciles.

"We are NOT here to discuss "over-unity", "free energy" or any other
non-existent, non-functional, and 'simply impossible by any known law"

If this is not what the group is about. Then why act retarded about
that if I may ask? Do you enjoy having posters ridicule you or
something? If not, then you could perhaps stop doing it yourself?

"If you want to discuss all that pie-in-the-sky crap, that's fine,
just don't do it here."

Hey last time I checked I didn't need your permission to discuss free
energy. If I would start such a topic even in your discussion group
you should behave yourself about it. You can ask me personally not to
discuss ground breaking technology when I do. But to put it in the
invitation is just ....... it means you belong on usenet with the
other dorks? no?

Your group is nothing but a disinformation effort? You said so
yourself?  You wanted the liberty to reject peoples creations based on
your own dogmatic believe system.

Why not listen and debate like a grownup?

Real world overunity:



Look! Hard working people actually building things. Teh real world!
yes yes. You are the one in the armchair now! hahahaha

Anyway, I wish you luck with the solar stuff but remember it's a long
term investment. I think you should pay close attention to other free
energy (like solar).

Perhaps even get out of the chair? lol

:-)

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