Posted by Bob F on April 4, 2008, 11:46 am
>>
>> > How? If you are talking about using an engine to run the alternator to
>> > power an electric motor wouldn't it be more efficient to just use a
> small
>> > gasoline engine? One of the first Honda cars that was sold in the USA
> used
>> > what amounted to a motorcycle engine and a chain drive. If I remember
>> > correctly it was a two-seater and got over 40 mpg.
>>
>> That would be the Honda 600. 600cc 2 cylinder air cooled engine. I believe
> it
>> did have a primary chain, oil immersed, thansfering power to the
> transaxle. The
>> 'coupe' may have been a 2 seater, the 'sedan' was a "four seater" (the 2
> in the
>> back had better be skinny) Tires were 145SR10's on the 2 I had.
> Unfortunately,
>> the crankshaft was pressed together around bearings that only lasted
> 50,000
>> miles, so every 50K you had to replace the crankshaft. The things drive
> like a
>> go-kart - really fun. I believe I got 30-35mpg.
>>
>>
> I guess USAmericans didn't like driving a go-kart. Kinda surprising
> considering how popular those Quad ORV things are right now. Heck, I got
> 32-33 mpg with my '93 Ford Escort with two adults, two kids, and two big
> dogs in it. It had seats and everything ;-)
Talking about the Honda 600 got me thinking that it would be a good prospect for
an electric conversion for a city car. They were really lightweight.
Posted by Neon John on April 4, 2008, 1:52 pm
>> I guess USAmericans didn't like driving a go-kart. Kinda surprising
>> considering how popular those Quad ORV things are right now. Heck, I got
>> 32-33 mpg with my '93 Ford Escort with two adults, two kids, and two big
>> dogs in it. It had seats and everything ;-)
>Talking about the Honda 600 got me thinking that it would be a good prospect
for
>an electric conversion for a city car. They were really lightweight.
Yaaa, and they almost had enough suspension to handle that light weight!
Maybe you don't realize just how small the 600 was. The bike shop where I worked
while in school started selling the things. Two of us could pick one up and set
it
on a bike lift for service. The bike lift had no problem lifting it. The
engine was
a CB450 motorcycle engine punched out a little. Most parts interchanged.
Have you ever seen a Vanguard Citicar EV? It is large in comparison.
Perhaps the most suitable candidate for conversion that has enough suspension to
actually handle the weight is an S-10 mini-pickup. Coincidentally, that's the
platform I've chosen for my next conversion. One can either be quick'n'lazy and
plop
the battery pack in the bed or he can build battery boxes around the frame rails
and
have the bed for actual cargo.
John
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Posted by Vaughn Simon on April 4, 2008, 6:36 pm
> I guess USAmericans didn't like driving a go-kart. Kinda surprising
> considering how popular those Quad ORV things are right now. Heck, I got
> 32-33 mpg with my '93 Ford Escort with two adults, two kids, and two big
> dogs in it. It had seats and everything ;-)
Some of us like small cars. My family's favorite all-time car was "baby", a
1980 Plymouth (Mitsubishi) Champ 5-speed. (Yes, larger than the Honda 600 but
still tiny by American standards) Even with the factory air, that car delivered
mileage that can't be beat by anything you can buy today. It was our primary
family car for several years and 120,000 miles. Then it became my commuter car
for a few years, and then it taught my daughter how to drive and absorbed two or
three years of her punishment.
It never quit (not seriously anyhow, it did need more tinkering than today's
cars). We sold it to some foreign college students with 150,000 miles on the
clock and still running strong.
Vaughn
Posted by clare at snyder dot ontario do on April 4, 2008, 7:39 pm
On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 22:36:09 GMT, "Vaughn Simon"
>>
>> I guess USAmericans didn't like driving a go-kart. Kinda surprising
>> considering how popular those Quad ORV things are right now. Heck, I got
>> 32-33 mpg with my '93 Ford Escort with two adults, two kids, and two big
>> dogs in it. It had seats and everything ;-)
> Some of us like small cars. My family's favorite all-time car was "baby",
a
>1980 Plymouth (Mitsubishi) Champ 5-speed. (Yes, larger than the Honda 600 but
>still tiny by American standards) Even with the factory air, that car
delivered
>mileage that can't be beat by anything you can buy today. It was our primary
>family car for several years and 120,000 miles. Then it became my commuter car
>for a few years, and then it taught my daughter how to drive and absorbed two
or
>three years of her punishment.
> It never quit (not seriously anyhow, it did need more tinkering than today's
>cars). We sold it to some foreign college students with 150,000 miles on the
>clock and still running strong.
>Vaughn
My youngest daughter learned to drive on a Colt 200. Light, efficient
car but sure not the best example of reliability. I put a lot of hours
into keeping that critter on the road.
My first car was an 850 Mini - 50MPG and 50MPH. It had 196000 miles on
it when I bought it for $60 at 8 years of age.(the car, not me).
Again, not a terribly reliable car, but I learned to be a mechanic
while driving it.
The ultimate light weight car was the 1400 lb Renault R4. Again not
the epitome of reliability, but many went over 300,000 miles with
enough work. Early models were 750cc, later 850, and up to 1100 IIRC
in the last years.
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Posted by Bruce in alaska on April 5, 2008, 1:40 pm
> >
> > I guess USAmericans didn't like driving a go-kart. Kinda surprising
> > considering how popular those Quad ORV things are right now. Heck, I got
> > 32-33 mpg with my '93 Ford Escort with two adults, two kids, and two big
> > dogs in it. It had seats and everything ;-)
>
> Some of us like small cars. My family's favorite all-time car was
> "baby", a
> 1980 Plymouth (Mitsubishi) Champ 5-speed. (Yes, larger than the Honda 600
> but
> still tiny by American standards) Even with the factory air, that car
> delivered
> mileage that can't be beat by anything you can buy today. It was our primary
> family car for several years and 120,000 miles. Then it became my commuter
> car
> for a few years, and then it taught my daughter how to drive and absorbed two
> or
> three years of her punishment.
>
> It never quit (not seriously anyhow, it did need more tinkering than
> today's
> cars). We sold it to some foreign college students with 150,000 miles on the
> clock and still running strong.
>
> Vaughn
I always liked my Suszuki Samurai for a small "Get Around" car. My
brothers has 180K miles on it, and he still drives it to work every day.
Mine doesn't get that kind of use, but every mile is an Alaska Bush Mile,
and it has 95K of those on it now. Still gets me thru the BIG SNOWS,
just Spiffy.
--
Bruce in alaska
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>> > How? If you are talking about using an engine to run the alternator to
>> > power an electric motor wouldn't it be more efficient to just use a
> small
>> > gasoline engine? One of the first Honda cars that was sold in the USA
> used
>> > what amounted to a motorcycle engine and a chain drive. If I remember
>> > correctly it was a two-seater and got over 40 mpg.
>>
>> That would be the Honda 600. 600cc 2 cylinder air cooled engine. I believe
> it
>> did have a primary chain, oil immersed, thansfering power to the
> transaxle. The
>> 'coupe' may have been a 2 seater, the 'sedan' was a "four seater" (the 2
> in the
>> back had better be skinny) Tires were 145SR10's on the 2 I had.
> Unfortunately,
>> the crankshaft was pressed together around bearings that only lasted
> 50,000
>> miles, so every 50K you had to replace the crankshaft. The things drive
> like a
>> go-kart - really fun. I believe I got 30-35mpg.
>>
>>
> I guess USAmericans didn't like driving a go-kart. Kinda surprising
> considering how popular those Quad ORV things are right now. Heck, I got
> 32-33 mpg with my '93 Ford Escort with two adults, two kids, and two big
> dogs in it. It had seats and everything ;-)