Posted by Jim Wilkins on December 29, 2010, 11:32 pm
> >That's what I do, using rug-safe jumpstarters and computer UPSs I can
> >leave at the points of use to avoid extension cords across the unlit
> >floor.
> Unfortunately, (and contrary to what you may expect) UPS boxes normally don't
> make good sources of emergency power. They are made for bridging small power
> interruptions, not running equipment for hours off-grid. You will find that
> they have small batteries. If you try to connect a larger outboard battery it
> may work, or you may discover other problems such as insufficient heat sink or
> low efficiency. Also, they have small chargers so take a long time to recharge.
> Vaughn
When I was collecting and fixing the second-hand UPSs I worked for a
former [big name in UPS] engineer, who told me specifically what they
could and couldn't do. Generally he agreed with you, saying that the
low-end ones at least were engineered for least cost and shouldn't be
pushed beyond their ratings by connecting an external battery.
I normally use them as intended, to keep the TV recording computer on
if the power glitches for instance. If we have a longer outage I run
small fluorescent room lights or this laptop from them, before digging
out the bigger stuff that -will- last for many hours. The small
internal batteries are enough for a light that's on for a minute a few
times a day, as long as they are shut off in between. The Newpoint,
Conext and Tripplite will turn on without AC connected.
No, they aren't good or economical general-purpose AC power sources
beyond having one or two for hands-free emergency lighting without
extension cords on the floor.
jsw
Posted by David Lesher on December 30, 2010, 2:23 am
>When I was collecting and fixing the second-hand UPSs I worked for a
>former [big name in UPS] engineer, who told me specifically what they
>could and couldn't do. Generally he agreed with you, saying that the
>low-end ones at least were engineered for least cost and shouldn't be
>pushed beyond their ratings by connecting an external battery.
I have an antique Smartup 900 1250. It is fan cooled. I put a
pair of 55AH deep cycle batteries on it. It would last for ~24h
on my loads when they were in good shape (and take a week to
recharge..)
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Posted by danny burstein on December 30, 2010, 2:46 am
>I have an antique Smartup 900 1250. It is fan cooled. I put a
>pair of 55AH deep cycle batteries on it. It would last for ~24h
>on my loads when they were in good shape (and take a week to
>recharge..)
Wasn't that your home we saw still powered up when the
whole region was blacked out in Die Hard IV ?
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Posted by Jim Wilkins on December 30, 2010, 2:06 pm
> ...>
> I have an antique Smartup 900 1250. It is fan cooled. I put a
> pair of 55AH deep cycle batteries on it. It would last for ~24h
> on my loads when they were in good shape (and take a week to
> recharge..)
I have an assortment of second-hand stuff that works well, but I can't
suggest that as a general solution. For people who aren't electric
vehicle battery techs a UPS or inverter+battery pack is a self-
contained AC power source without exposed high-current wiring.
Personally I put big Anderson connectors on deep-discharge batteries
and inverters.
http://www.andersonpower.com/products/multipole-connectors.html
"No longer produced"
http://www.centurytool.net/BPIP99_ELECTRIPAC_12_Volt_DC_110_Volt_AC_Power_s=
/155.htm
Posted by Bruce Gordon on December 23, 2010, 10:42 pm
> Yeah, if we hadn't gotten such a good deal on the 12KW Onan we'd have
> gotten a smaller gennie in the first place.
>
> Which brings up the question of a suitable alternative power
> arrangement: How about getting a good size inverter and running it off a
> couple of truck batteries to handle the 18 hours in the day that we need
> only a few hundred watts, then powering up the generator and
> rapid-charging the batteries when needed...
>
> This option runs the generator in it's optimum range and may save fuel.
> Would need fat batteries and a pretty good sine-wave inverter to keep
> the computer & monitors happy, as well as allowing starting load of the
> furnace blower motor...
>
> Hmmm..
Speaking as one who generates ALL my own power, this is how we do it
around here. 20 Kw diesel gensets, Trace Inverter/chargers and BIG
Battery banks made from folklift Batteries. Gensets run 10 hours a day.
(7Am to noon, and 5 Pm to 10Pm) Keeps the Freezers cold, the Batteries
charged, the Telco system online and ISP hardware up and running
24/7/365. We do laundry and dishes when the Genset is running. This has
worked for us, for 3 decades.... YMMV.....
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> >leave at the points of use to avoid extension cords across the unlit
> >floor.
> Unfortunately, (and contrary to what you may expect) UPS boxes normally don't
> make good sources of emergency power. They are made for bridging small power
> interruptions, not running equipment for hours off-grid. You will find that
> they have small batteries. If you try to connect a larger outboard battery it
> may work, or you may discover other problems such as insufficient heat sink or
> low efficiency. Also, they have small chargers so take a long time to recharge.
> Vaughn