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Posted by Speeders & Drunk Drivers are M on August 12, 2009, 7:52 am
> Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
>>> New Volt should get 230 mpg in city, GM says
>>>
>>>
>>> The mileage for the electric-gas hybrid, due next year, would be the
>>> best by far of any car rated by the EPA.
>>> By Martin Zimmerman
>>> 1:21 PM PDT, August 11, 2009
>>>
>>>
>>> General Motors Co. said today that its long-awaited Chevrolet Volt
>>> plug-in hybrid is expected to achieve fuel economy of 230 miles per
>>> gallon in city driving.
>>>
>>> That would give the Volt, which is expected to arrive in showrooms
>>> late next year, by far the highest fuel efficiency rating of any car
>>> now rated by the Environmental Protection Agency. The current EPA
>>> mileage leader is the Toyota Prius hybrid, which is rated at 50 mpg
>>> in combined city-highway driving.
>>>
>>>
>>> The Volt is designed to run on electric power only for about 40
>>> miles, after which a small gasoline engine kicks in to re-charge the
>>> battery, giving it a total range of more than 300 miles. The battery
>>> can be recharged by plugging in to a home outlet.
>>>
>>> GM's estimated mileage rating for the Volt is based on city driving.
>>> Highway mileage likely would be lower because it would require more
>>> work from the gasoline engine.
>>>
>>> "From the data we've seen, many Chevy Volt drivers may be able to be
>>> in pure electric mode on a daily basis without having to use any
>>> gas," said GM Chief Executive Fritz Henderson. "EPA labels are a
>>> yardstick for customers to compare the fuel efficiency of vehicles.
>>> So, a vehicle like the Volt that achieves a composite triple-digit
>>> fuel economy is a game-changer."
>>>
>>>
>>> The automaker's fuel economy estimates still have to be confirmed by
>>> the EPA, which is developing a new methodology for calculating fuel
>>> economy ratings for cars that can travel significant distances
>>> powered only by electricity. GM said it used the EPA's preliminary
>>> guidelines in developing its mileage estimates for the Volt.
>>>
>>> The EPA publishes mileage estimates for vehicles sold in the U.S.
>>> based on city and highway driving, as well as a combined city-highway
>>> mileage estimate.
>>>
>>> The Volt's best fuel economy will be achieved in city driving, where
>>> it can take full advantage of its all-electric capability. GM said it
>>> has calculated a highway mileage estimate for the Volt, but didn't
>>> release the figure. The automaker said it was confident the car's
>>> combined city-highway fuel economy "will be in the triple digits."
>>>
>>> Electric-vehicle proponents, although encouraged by the Volt's
>>> preliminary numbers, cautioned GM not to overstate the car's
>>> capabilities.
>>>
>>> "The phrase 'Your mileage may vary' is particularly true with plug-in
>>> hybrids because how you drive will have a significant impact on how
>>> much gasoline the vehicle consumes," said Jim Kliesch, a senior
>>> engineer with the Union of Concerned Scientists.
>>>
>>> "It would be a real shame if such a promising technology got a bad
>>> rap because they raised expectations too high."
>>>
>>> The company said today it has produced about 30 Volts and is making
>>> 10 a week at its pre-production facility in Warren, Mich. GM is
>>> expected to announce later this week that the Volt's nearly
>>> 400-pound lithium- ion battery will be assembled at a plant in the
>>> Detroit area. The production version car will be built at GM's
>>> Detroit-Hamtramck assembly plant.
>>>
>>> As the pre-production vehicles are road-tested, estimates of the
>>> cars' all-electric range and their eventual fuel economy rating could
>>> change. Volts currently are being road-tested in Yuma, Ariz., to
>>> gauge their performance in hot weather conditions.
>>>
>>> GM has staked much of its technological reputation on the Volt, and
>>> has touted the vehicle relentlessly for more than two years. Some
>>> critics have derided the vehicle as an expensive piece of "vaporware"
>>> that would never achieve significant sales, but the automaker has
>>> consistently maintained that it is committed to the Volt.
>>>
>>> "Right now, there are no foreseeable roadblocks to the program and
>>> the program's timing," GM spokesman Rob Peterson said.
>>>
>>> Although GM has not released pricing information on the Volt,
>>> industry analysts estimate it will cost about $0,000, though the
>>> automaker says the car's list price would likely be lowered by
>>> federal tax credits and other incentives. Peterson said Volt owners
>>> would be eligible for the $,500 federal tax credit provided on
>>> electric vehicles.
>>>
>>> Several other automakers, including Chrysler, Nissan, Ford and
>>> Toyota, are working on variations of plug-in hybrids or all-electric
>>> vehicles that are expected to reach the market over the next few
>>> years.
>>>
>>> martin.zimmerman@latimes.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Sounds like there will be lots of deaths from this tiny car.
>
> On what do you base this statement?
>
On light weight, if it's big it's big puffy. Where do you think energy =
will come from to get high MPG? If it isn't light? Just look at =
yourself how fat you are, you think a baby can carry you on his back and =
run?
Posted by clare on August 12, 2009, 2:03 am
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:01:01 -0700 (PDT), pautrey2
>New Volt should get 230 mpg in city, GM says
>The mileage for the electric-gas hybrid, due next year, would be the
>best by far of any car rated by the EPA.
>By Martin Zimmerman
>1:21 PM PDT, August 11, 2009
>General Motors Co. said today that its long-awaited Chevrolet Volt
>plug-in hybrid is expected to achieve fuel economy of 230 miles per
>gallon in city driving.
>That would give the Volt, which is expected to arrive in showrooms
>late next year, by far the highest fuel efficiency rating of any car
>now rated by the Environmental Protection Agency. The current EPA
>mileage leader is the Toyota Prius hybrid, which is rated at 50 mpg in
>combined city-highway driving.
>The Volt is designed to run on electric power only for about 40 miles,
>after which a small gasoline engine kicks in to re-charge the battery,
>giving it a total range of more than 300 miles. The battery can be
>recharged by plugging in to a home outlet.
>GM's estimated mileage rating for the Volt is based on city driving.
>Highway mileage likely would be lower because it would require more
>work from the gasoline engine.
>"From the data we've seen, many Chevy Volt drivers may be able to be
>in pure electric mode on a daily basis without having to use any gas,"
>said GM Chief Executive Fritz Henderson. "EPA labels are a yardstick
>for customers to compare the fuel efficiency of vehicles. So, a
>vehicle like the Volt that achieves a composite triple-digit fuel
>economy is a game-changer."
>The automaker's fuel economy estimates still have to be confirmed by
>the EPA, which is developing a new methodology for calculating fuel
>economy ratings for cars that can travel significant distances powered
>only by electricity. GM said it used the EPA's preliminary guidelines
>in developing its mileage estimates for the Volt.
>The EPA publishes mileage estimates for vehicles sold in the U.S.
>based on city and highway driving, as well as a combined city-highway
>mileage estimate.
>The Volt's best fuel economy will be achieved in city driving, where
>it can take full advantage of its all-electric capability. GM said it
>has calculated a highway mileage estimate for the Volt, but didn't
>release the figure. The automaker said it was confident the car's
>combined city-highway fuel economy "will be in the triple digits."
>Electric-vehicle proponents, although encouraged by the Volt's
>preliminary numbers, cautioned GM not to overstate the car's
>capabilities.
>"The phrase 'Your mileage may vary' is particularly true with plug-in
>hybrids because how you drive will have a significant impact on how
>much gasoline the vehicle consumes," said Jim Kliesch, a senior
>engineer with the Union of Concerned Scientists.
>"It would be a real shame if such a promising technology got a bad rap
>because they raised expectations too high."
>The company said today it has produced about 30 Volts and is making 10
>a week at its pre-production facility in Warren, Mich. GM is expected
>to announce later this week that the Volt's nearly 400-pound lithium-
>ion battery will be assembled at a plant in the Detroit area. The
>production version car will be built at GM's Detroit-Hamtramck
>assembly plant.
>As the pre-production vehicles are road-tested, estimates of the cars'
>all-electric range and their eventual fuel economy rating could
>change. Volts currently are being road-tested in Yuma, Ariz., to gauge
>their performance in hot weather conditions.
>GM has staked much of its technological reputation on the Volt, and
>has touted the vehicle relentlessly for more than two years. Some
>critics have derided the vehicle as an expensive piece of "vaporware"
>that would never achieve significant sales, but the automaker has
>consistently maintained that it is committed to the Volt.
>"Right now, there are no foreseeable roadblocks to the program and the
>program's timing," GM spokesman Rob Peterson said.
>Although GM has not released pricing information on the Volt, industry
>analysts estimate it will cost about $0,000, though the automaker
>says the car's list price would likely be lowered by federal tax
>credits and other incentives. Peterson said Volt owners would be
>eligible for the $,500 federal tax credit provided on electric
>vehicles.
>Several other automakers, including Chrysler, Nissan, Ford and Toyota,
>are working on variations of plug-in hybrids or all-electric vehicles
>that are expected to reach the market over the next few years.
>martin.zimmerman@latimes.com
Fuel mileage on a plug-in hybrid or straight electric vehicle is
almost totally irellevent. UNLESS it is calculated without using
outside power for charging.
What mileage will the volt get if it starts out with a fully charged
battery and a full tank of gas, and ends the test with the battery
fully charged and the tank empty - without being plugged in.
If it gets over 70 MPG at ANY leagal road speed, I'll be EXTREMELY
surprized.
Posted by You on August 13, 2009, 9:09 pm clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
> Fuel mileage on a plug-in hybrid or straight electric vehicle is
> almost totally irellevent. UNLESS it is calculated without using
> outside power for charging.
>
> What mileage will the volt get if it starts out with a fully charged
> battery and a full tank of gas, and ends the test with the battery
> fully charged and the tank empty - without being plugged in.
>
> If it gets over 70 MPG at ANY leagal road speed, I'll be EXTREMELY
> surprized.
Here, Here.... I would bet it is less than 50 MPG... and you aren't
counting the costs of all that electricity getting pumped into the
batteries at night, at 10+ cents per KWH, IF yu live where there is
cheap power.....
Posted by clare on August 14, 2009, 2:03 am
> clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>> Fuel mileage on a plug-in hybrid or straight electric vehicle is
>> almost totally irellevent. UNLESS it is calculated without using
>> outside power for charging.
>>
>> What mileage will the volt get if it starts out with a fully charged
>> battery and a full tank of gas, and ends the test with the battery
>> fully charged and the tank empty - without being plugged in.
>>
>> If it gets over 70 MPG at ANY leagal road speed, I'll be EXTREMELY
>> surprized.
>Here, Here.... I would bet it is less than 50 MPG... and you aren't
>counting the costs of all that electricity getting pumped into the
>batteries at night, at 10+ cents per KWH, IF yu live where there is
>cheap power.....
Correct - but my statement was WITHOUT pumping power into the
batteries from the grid overnight.
With a properly optimized engine, running a well designed, high
efficiency generator(alternator) with a high efficiency controller and
motor, there is no reason why 60MPG could not be achieved - but when
it is done, it WON"T be GM that does it.
Even with the new management/ownership (Government Motors), I'll bet
nothing innovative and successful will come out of that company and be
financially viable.
Posted by News on August 14, 2009, 11:47 am
>> clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>>
>>> Fuel mileage on a plug-in hybrid or straight electric vehicle is
>>> almost totally irellevent. UNLESS it is calculated without using
>>> outside power for charging.
>>>
>>> What mileage will the volt get if it starts out with a fully charged
>>> battery and a full tank of gas, and ends the test with the battery
>>> fully charged and the tank empty - without being plugged in.
>>>
>>> If it gets over 70 MPG at ANY leagal road speed, I'll be EXTREMELY
>>> surprized.
>>
>>Here, Here.... I would bet it is less than 50 MPG... and you aren't
>>counting the costs of all that electricity getting pumped into the
>>batteries at night, at 10+ cents per KWH, IF yu live where there is
>>cheap power.....
> Correct - but my statement was WITHOUT pumping power into the
> batteries from the grid overnight.
> With a properly optimized engine, running a well designed, high
> efficiency generator(alternator) with a high efficiency controller and
> motor, there is no reason why 60MPG could not be achieved - but when
> it is done, it WON"T be GM that does it.
> Even with the new management/ownership (Government Motors), I'll bet
> nothing innovative and successful will come out of that company and be
> financially viable.
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>>> New Volt should get 230 mpg in city, GM says
>>>
>>>
>>> The mileage for the electric-gas hybrid, due next year, would be the
>>> best by far of any car rated by the EPA.
>>> By Martin Zimmerman
>>> 1:21 PM PDT, August 11, 2009
>>>
>>>
>>> General Motors Co. said today that its long-awaited Chevrolet Volt
>>> plug-in hybrid is expected to achieve fuel economy of 230 miles per
>>> gallon in city driving.
>>>
>>> That would give the Volt, which is expected to arrive in showrooms
>>> late next year, by far the highest fuel efficiency rating of any car
>>> now rated by the Environmental Protection Agency. The current EPA
>>> mileage leader is the Toyota Prius hybrid, which is rated at 50 mpg
>>> in combined city-highway driving.
>>>
>>>
>>> The Volt is designed to run on electric power only for about 40
>>> miles, after which a small gasoline engine kicks in to re-charge the
>>> battery, giving it a total range of more than 300 miles. The battery
>>> can be recharged by plugging in to a home outlet.
>>>
>>> GM's estimated mileage rating for the Volt is based on city driving.
>>> Highway mileage likely would be lower because it would require more
>>> work from the gasoline engine.
>>>
>>> "From the data we've seen, many Chevy Volt drivers may be able to be
>>> in pure electric mode on a daily basis without having to use any
>>> gas," said GM Chief Executive Fritz Henderson. "EPA labels are a
>>> yardstick for customers to compare the fuel efficiency of vehicles.
>>> So, a vehicle like the Volt that achieves a composite triple-digit
>>> fuel economy is a game-changer."
>>>
>>>
>>> The automaker's fuel economy estimates still have to be confirmed by
>>> the EPA, which is developing a new methodology for calculating fuel
>>> economy ratings for cars that can travel significant distances
>>> powered only by electricity. GM said it used the EPA's preliminary
>>> guidelines in developing its mileage estimates for the Volt.
>>>
>>> The EPA publishes mileage estimates for vehicles sold in the U.S.
>>> based on city and highway driving, as well as a combined city-highway
>>> mileage estimate.
>>>
>>> The Volt's best fuel economy will be achieved in city driving, where
>>> it can take full advantage of its all-electric capability. GM said it
>>> has calculated a highway mileage estimate for the Volt, but didn't
>>> release the figure. The automaker said it was confident the car's
>>> combined city-highway fuel economy "will be in the triple digits."
>>>
>>> Electric-vehicle proponents, although encouraged by the Volt's
>>> preliminary numbers, cautioned GM not to overstate the car's
>>> capabilities.
>>>
>>> "The phrase 'Your mileage may vary' is particularly true with plug-in
>>> hybrids because how you drive will have a significant impact on how
>>> much gasoline the vehicle consumes," said Jim Kliesch, a senior
>>> engineer with the Union of Concerned Scientists.
>>>
>>> "It would be a real shame if such a promising technology got a bad
>>> rap because they raised expectations too high."
>>>
>>> The company said today it has produced about 30 Volts and is making
>>> 10 a week at its pre-production facility in Warren, Mich. GM is
>>> expected to announce later this week that the Volt's nearly
>>> 400-pound lithium- ion battery will be assembled at a plant in the
>>> Detroit area. The production version car will be built at GM's
>>> Detroit-Hamtramck assembly plant.
>>>
>>> As the pre-production vehicles are road-tested, estimates of the
>>> cars' all-electric range and their eventual fuel economy rating could
>>> change. Volts currently are being road-tested in Yuma, Ariz., to
>>> gauge their performance in hot weather conditions.
>>>
>>> GM has staked much of its technological reputation on the Volt, and
>>> has touted the vehicle relentlessly for more than two years. Some
>>> critics have derided the vehicle as an expensive piece of "vaporware"
>>> that would never achieve significant sales, but the automaker has
>>> consistently maintained that it is committed to the Volt.
>>>
>>> "Right now, there are no foreseeable roadblocks to the program and
>>> the program's timing," GM spokesman Rob Peterson said.
>>>
>>> Although GM has not released pricing information on the Volt,
>>> industry analysts estimate it will cost about $0,000, though the
>>> automaker says the car's list price would likely be lowered by
>>> federal tax credits and other incentives. Peterson said Volt owners
>>> would be eligible for the $,500 federal tax credit provided on
>>> electric vehicles.
>>>
>>> Several other automakers, including Chrysler, Nissan, Ford and
>>> Toyota, are working on variations of plug-in hybrids or all-electric
>>> vehicles that are expected to reach the market over the next few
>>> years.
>>>
>>> martin.zimmerman@latimes.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Sounds like there will be lots of deaths from this tiny car.
>
> On what do you base this statement?
>