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Posted by News on August 14, 2009, 11:49 am
>> clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>>
>>> Fuel mileage on a plug-in hybrid or straight electric vehicle is
>>> almost totally irellevent. UNLESS it is calculated without using
>>> outside power for charging.
>>>
>>> What mileage will the volt get if it starts out with a fully charged
>>> battery and a full tank of gas, and ends the test with the battery
>>> fully charged and the tank empty - without being plugged in.
>>>
>>> If it gets over 70 MPG at ANY leagal road speed, I'll be EXTREMELY
>>> surprized.
>>
>>Here, Here.... I would bet it is less than 50 MPG... and you aren't
>>counting the costs of all that electricity getting pumped into the
>>batteries at night, at 10+ cents per KWH, IF yu live where there is
>>cheap power.....
> Correct - but my statement was WITHOUT pumping power into the
> batteries from the grid overnight.
> With a properly optimized engine, running a well designed, high
> efficiency generator(alternator) with a high efficiency controller and
> motor, there is no reason why 60MPG could not be achieved - but when
> it is done, it WON"T be GM that does it.
> Even with the new management/ownership (Government Motors), I'll bet
> nothing innovative and successful will come out of that company and be
> financially viable.
Without the US government GM would not exist. Under private ownership it
was poorly run. You may find that under Uncle Sam it works better. Let's
hope so.
Posted by harry on August 14, 2009, 6:16 pm
> >> cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
> >>> Fuel mileage on a plug-in hybrid or straight electric vehicle is
> >>> almost totally irellevent. UNLESS it is calculated without using
> >>> outside power for charging.
> >>> What mileage will the volt get if it starts out with a fully charged
> >>> battery and a full tank of gas, and ends the test with the battery
> >>> fully charged and the tank empty - without being plugged in.
> >>> If it gets over 70 MPG at ANY leagal road speed, I'll be EXTREMELY
> >>> surprized.
> >>Here, Here.... I would bet it is less than 50 MPG... and you aren't
> >>counting the costs of all that electricity getting pumped into the
> >>batteries at night, at 10+ cents per KWH, IF yu live where there is
> >>cheap power.....
> > Correct - but my statement was WITHOUT pumping power into the
> > batteries from the grid overnight.
> > With a properly optimized engine, running a well designed, high
> > efficiency generator(alternator) with a high efficiency controller and
> > motor, there is no reason why 60MPG could not be achieved - but when
> > it is done, it WON"T be GM that does it.
> > Even with the new management/ownership (Government Motors), I'll bet
> > nothing innovative and successful will come out of that company and be
> > financially viable.
> Without the US government GM would not exist. Under private ownership it
> was poorly run. You may find that under Uncle Sam it works better. Let's
> hope so.
If experience in the UK is anything to go by, NO CHANCE.
Posted by News on August 14, 2009, 11:37 pm
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >> cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>>
>> >>> Fuel mileage on a plug-in hybrid or straight electric vehicle is
>> >>> almost totally irellevent. UNLESS it is calculated without using
>> >>> outside power for charging.
>>
>> >>> What mileage will the volt get if it starts out with a fully charged
>> >>> battery and a full tank of gas, and ends the test with the battery
>> >>> fully charged and the tank empty - without being plugged in.
>>
>> >>> If it gets over 70 MPG at ANY leagal road speed, I'll be EXTREMELY
>> >>> surprized.
>>
>> >>Here, Here.... I would bet it is less than 50 MPG... and you aren't
>> >>counting the costs of all that electricity getting pumped into the
>> >>batteries at night, at 10+ cents per KWH, IF yu live where there is
>> >>cheap power.....
>> > Correct - but my statement was WITHOUT pumping power into the
>> > batteries from the grid overnight.
>>
>> > With a properly optimized engine, running a well designed, high
>> > efficiency generator(alternator) with a high efficiency controller and
>> > motor, there is no reason why 60MPG could not be achieved - but when
>> > it is done, it WON"T be GM that does it.
>>
>> > Even with the new management/ownership (Government Motors), I'll bet
>> > nothing innovative and successful will come out of that company and be
>> > financially viable.
>>
>> Without the US government GM would not exist. Under private ownership it
>> was poorly run. You may find that under Uncle Sam it works better. Let's
>> hope so.
> If experience in the UK is anything to go by, NO CHANCE.
The UK did the same as the US and saved an industry, but they allowed it to
be split, against advice, sold it off and then decline.
Posted by Bruce Richmond on August 15, 2009, 12:08 am
> >> >> cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
> >> >>> Fuel mileage on a plug-in hybrid or straight electric vehicle is
> >> >>> almost totally irellevent. UNLESS it is calculated without using
> >> >>> outside power for charging.
> >> >>> What mileage will the volt get if it starts out with a fully charged
> >> >>> battery and a full tank of gas, and ends the test with the battery
> >> >>> fully charged and the tank empty - without being plugged in.
> >> >>> If it gets over 70 MPG at ANY leagal road speed, I'll be EXTREMELY
> >> >>> surprized.
> >> >>Here, Here.... I would bet it is less than 50 MPG... and you aren't
> >> >>counting the costs of all that electricity getting pumped into the
> >> >>batteries at night, at 10+ cents per KWH, IF yu live where there is
> >> >>cheap power.....
> >> > Correct - but my statement was WITHOUT pumping power into the
> >> > batteries from the grid overnight.
> >> > With a properly optimized engine, running a well designed, high
> >> > efficiency generator(alternator) with a high efficiency controller and
> >> > motor, there is no reason why 60MPG could not be achieved - but when
> >> > it is done, it WON"T be GM that does it.
> >> > Even with the new management/ownership (Government Motors), I'll bet
> >> > nothing innovative and successful will come out of that company and be
> >> > financially viable.
> >> Without the US government GM would not exist. Under private ownership it
> >> was poorly run. You may find that under Uncle Sam it works better. Let's
> >> hope so.
> > If experience in the UK is anything to go by, NO CHANCE.
> The UK did the same as the US and saved an industry, but they allowed it to
> be split, against advice, sold it off and then decline.- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -
Please elaborate on this. I remember a lot of buying/selling going on
in years past. So much so that I stopped trying to keep track.
Posted by News on August 16, 2009, 8:20 pm
>> BMW were the same size, and were allowed to buy Rover who
>> were the only European makers making a good profit and expanding. They
>> got
>> Rover cheap. BMW then screwed the lot up, bringing out some awful
>> models.
>> They did not want any models competing with the German BMWs. They were
>> pushing German engines onto the UK cars, which UK designers did not want.
> BMW wanted the mini. They then sold the remainder of to a bunch of
> crooks who asset stripped it & closed it down.
> BMW now makes a mini in the UK (bigger than the old one) that is their
> most profitable model.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_MINI
15 years ago Rover (ex British Leyland -> ex BMC) was a profitable expanding
company with a great range of vehicles. BMW totally screwed the company up -
deliberately so. It was predicted BMW would and they did. The new Mini is
very heavy car and heavier than the Austin Maxi. A technically poor
design - just retro design.
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>>
>>> Fuel mileage on a plug-in hybrid or straight electric vehicle is
>>> almost totally irellevent. UNLESS it is calculated without using
>>> outside power for charging.
>>>
>>> What mileage will the volt get if it starts out with a fully charged
>>> battery and a full tank of gas, and ends the test with the battery
>>> fully charged and the tank empty - without being plugged in.
>>>
>>> If it gets over 70 MPG at ANY leagal road speed, I'll be EXTREMELY
>>> surprized.
>>
>>Here, Here.... I would bet it is less than 50 MPG... and you aren't
>>counting the costs of all that electricity getting pumped into the
>>batteries at night, at 10+ cents per KWH, IF yu live where there is
>>cheap power.....
> Correct - but my statement was WITHOUT pumping power into the
> batteries from the grid overnight.
> With a properly optimized engine, running a well designed, high
> efficiency generator(alternator) with a high efficiency controller and
> motor, there is no reason why 60MPG could not be achieved - but when
> it is done, it WON"T be GM that does it.
> Even with the new management/ownership (Government Motors), I'll bet
> nothing innovative and successful will come out of that company and be
> financially viable.