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Posted by clare on August 17, 2009, 3:41 am

On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 11:32:03 -0700 (PDT), harry

Charles Kettering invented the electric self starter in 1915 and
formed the Dayton Engineering Laboratories Company - (DELCO) which
later became part of General Motors. Cadillac started using the Delco
atartes before DELCO was part of GM.

A Frenchman named Leon Levavasseur invented the V* engine in 1902. It
was called the "antoinette", and was FUEL INJECTED. It was used quite
extensively in aircraft and speedboats as well as, apparently, in
several custom automobiles.
In 1906 a car called the Coyote was built in Redondo Beach California
with a V8 engine (engine manufacturer unknown).
DeDion Bouton, Renault, Rolls Royce and Buchet had all built V8 cars
by 1906.

Caddilac was the first to use the v8 in "mass produced" automobiles in

Posted by Van Chocstraw on August 12, 2009, 2:30 am
pautrey2 wrote:

What a pathetic piece of overpriced crap. Many people drive 50 miles one
Tesla motors Roadster gets 300 miles on a charge with NO gas motor.
And they are selling lots of them now and making a profit.
In 2011 they will come out with the Model S for under $0k
GM is so pathetic. The EV1 would go 100 miles on a charge with lead acid
batteries. What the fuck happened?

Posted by News on August 12, 2009, 12:11 pm

<please snip>  :)

Nanogate and ultracapacitors now claim to have the same energy density as
ni-cads for the same physical size.  They will outlast the car. A very large
bank of them in a purpose built car with a lightweight insulated body, and
using brake regen will make the EV a true cheap to run and maintain car.
The technology is here, it is just getting it engineered into one package
and mass production of components up to get prices down.

From wiki:
A unique drawback of the Li-ion battery is that its service life is
dependent upon aging (shelf life). From time of manufacturing, regardless of
whether it was charged or the number of charge/discharge cycles, the battery
will decline slowly and predictably in "capacity". This means the charge in
an older battery will not last as long as in a new battery due solely to its
age, unlike other batteries. This is due to an increase in internal
resistance, which affects its ability to deliver current, thus the problem
is more pronounced in high-current applications than low. This drawback is
not widely published.

It is not the number of charges it is the age of the battery, which is
highly predicable.

Posted by Eeyore on August 13, 2009, 4:01 pm

News wrote:

Ni-cads are low capacity old technology so hardly a sensible benchmark, nor do I
believe your claim anyway.

How about cite from a reputable source ?


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Posted by (PeteCresswell) on August 12, 2009, 4:23 pm
 Per clare@snyder.on.ca:

That's kind of what I figured: they're cooking the books by
mixing miles powered by electric with miles ultimately powered by

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