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Posted by Eeyore on August 13, 2009, 3:33 pm

pautrey2 wrote:

A phoney measure of mpg.


due to the hugely increased level of spam please make the obvious
adjustment to my email address

Posted by Joesepi on August 13, 2009, 3:55 pm
How many km per kWh though?

How big are the peddles?

Posted by Speeders & Drunk Drivers are M on August 14, 2009, 5:49 pm

This news reminds me of BUSH and you hyped about sending men to =
MARS....back in 2004, so how many men have you successfully sent to =

In fact, I see you hyped more than the Chinese.

Posted by BradGuth on August 16, 2009, 7:31 pm

If you exclude the HVAC and the kw load worth of a nifty surround
sound system, and only commute to/from within the 40 mile all-electric
range, you could get a million miles per gallon.

However, more than likely they'll be lucky to achieve an objective 101
empg, excluding the near future of the average national expense of
$.25/kwhr for battery recharging, as well as excluding their spendy
proprietary cost of battery replacement cost/mile (plus those
federally subsidized recharging station installations [home, office
and remote] plus the necessary power grid beef-up and of course
battery recycling fiasco).

 Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / Guth Usenet

Posted by vaughn on August 16, 2009, 10:22 pm

    That can be very significant.  Here in Florida, drivers are unlikely to
buy any car without AC

   Insignificant.  (headlamps may be a different story)

Yes, that is the problem.  MPG is a meaningless metric for a car that has
more than one source of energy.

   100+ MPG?  Do you have anything to base that on?

     Which should not be part of any MPG calculation.  We need some new
metric to use to compare these new kinds of cars.  MPG is meaningless when
more than one energy source is in play..

   Yes, all consumers should leave these cars in the showroom until the
manufacturer is willing to "come clean" and tell us what this the annual
and/or per-mile cost of the battery.  That said, electric auto batteries
will not stay proprietary for long.  A vigorous third-party market will
spring up as soon as there are sufficient customers.  Auto manufacturers
would do well to encourage these folks, because this would give potential
e-vehicle consumers confidence that they will not end up with a usless lawn
decoration as soon as their warantee runs out.

   Where are they?  I don't see any yet.  I don't even see any serious
proposal.  Did you just make that up?

What "battery recycling fiasco"?  Used-up rechargable batteries are a
valuable commodity.  Just try to buy a new lead-acid battery without turning
in an old one.  There are companies out there who will happily accept
used-up rechargable batteries of various chemistries.  They will even supply
the packaging and pay the shipping.


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