Posted by drydem on May 16, 2007, 9:12 pm
On May 15, 7:54 am, dances_with_barka...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Sorry to interrupt the _riveting_ discussion of dual-citizenship in an
> energy group. Pardon my bad manners
> But if this vertical -axis concept is so kewl, why do all the
> commercial farms use horizontal, eh?
It allows for a long air foils while minimizing the ground surface
needed to contain the foundation and the air foil itself.
Posted by Harbin Osteen on May 16, 2007, 5:06 pm
The flag is a metaphor for country, thought you could figure that out.
--
SeeYaa:) Harbin Osteen KG6URO
When American Citizens with dual citizenship pledges allegiance
to the flag, to which flag do they pledge allegiance too?
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>-> When American Citizens with dual citizenship pledges allegiance
> -> to the flag, to which flag do they pledge allegiance too?
> I have dual British/Canadian citizenship. I have never been asked to
> pledge allegiance to either the union jack or the maple leaf. There is
> only one country in the world that regards its flag as an object of
> worship, and therefore only one flag that gets worshipped.
> dow
Posted by Tony Wesley on May 16, 2007, 11:58 pm
> The flag is a metaphor for country, thought you could figure that out.
> --
> When American Citizens with dual citizenship pledges allegiance
> to the flag, to which flag do they pledge allegiance too?
Hmmm, how does that pledge begin? Oh yes "I pledge allegiance to the
flag of the United States of America..."
I hope that answers your question.
Posted by RayGun on May 18, 2007, 12:48 pm
Horizontal vs Vertical
..So if torque is sorta 'force x distance', wouldn't a vertical axis set-up
be able to generate more torque at the hub? Thereby being able to be
smallish in diameter, able to turn a larger (power) generator, with slower
rpm. Rather than using 'wing' airfoil type that generates torque on a
diminished forward angled lift vector, thereby necessitating huge rotor
diameter systems, extremely elevated on a pedestal for ground clearance.
And talk about noise...gawd!!!
> New (to me) type of wind turbine from Gual Industrie:
>
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Gual_Industrie_StatoEolien_Vertical-Axis_Wind_Turbine#Official_Website
> It can generate in wind speeds up to 150 km/h (93 mph), and will withstand
> winds up to 200 km/h (124 mph). Hence, the electricity production rate is
> 30% superior to horizontal axis wind turbines.
> - Independent of the wind direction
> - Totally operational even in the most severe storms
> - Highly reliable and highly performing
> - Slow rotation speed of rotor offers improved safety
> - Low vibrations
> - Quiet
> - Compact and aesthetic structure
> - Easily integrated in all kind of grounds/location
> - Can be installed directly on a building, without use of a pilon
> - Maintenance is relatively simple
> SeeYaa:) Harbin Osteen KG6URO
> When American Citizens with dual citizenship pledges allegiance
> to the flag, to which flag do they pledge allegiance too?
> -
>
Posted by Arnold Walker on May 18, 2007, 2:16 pm
> Horizontal vs Vertical
> ..So if torque is sorta 'force x distance', wouldn't a vertical axis
> set-up be able to generate more torque at the hub? Thereby being able to
> be smallish in diameter, able to turn a larger (power) generator, with
> slower rpm. Rather than using 'wing' airfoil type that generates torque
> on a diminished forward angled lift vector, thereby necessitating huge
> rotor diameter systems, extremely elevated on a pedestal for ground
> clearance. And talk about noise...gawd!!!
Forward tilting........think helicopter or autogyro(blades powered by wind
movement)....when power is applied to the blades by a engine or electric
motor.
The bladedisc is tilted forward......but in power generation, as in the
blades going into autorotation to turn a gernerator.
The blade dics is flared back.
You can actually see an example of that with gyro trainers, that are towed
behind a car at a flying club.
(Since landing and takeoff is part of flying ,that needs to be learned.)
Or in air demos in which the powered gyro will nose into a fairly high wind
and appear from the ground to hover.
Indicated airspeed tells you that are doing 32+ mph.......some airplane guys
like Lindbergh, did the same thing by unknowingly flying his airplane
backwards. When he "discovered" the jetstream the hard way on his first
transcontinental attempt from NY to LA.And ending up in the Atlantic
when the cloud base cleared away.....forgot how many miles, but a long way
offshore.
>> New (to me) type of wind turbine from Gual Industrie:
>>
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Gual_Industrie_StatoEolien_Vertical-Axis_Wind_Turbine#Official_Website
>>
>> It can generate in wind speeds up to 150 km/h (93 mph), and will
>> withstand winds up to 200 km/h (124 mph). Hence, the electricity
>> production rate is 30% superior to horizontal axis wind turbines.
>> - Independent of the wind direction
>> - Totally operational even in the most severe storms
>> - Highly reliable and highly performing
>> - Slow rotation speed of rotor offers improved safety
>> - Low vibrations
>> - Quiet
>> - Compact and aesthetic structure
>> - Easily integrated in all kind of grounds/location
>> - Can be installed directly on a building, without use of a pilon
>> - Maintenance is relatively simple
>>
>>
>> SeeYaa:) Harbin Osteen KG6URO
>>
>> When American Citizens with dual citizenship pledges allegiance
>> to the flag, to which flag do they pledge allegiance too?
>>
>> -
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> energy group. Pardon my bad manners
> But if this vertical -axis concept is so kewl, why do all the
> commercial farms use horizontal, eh?