Posted by Mamba on June 11, 2008, 9:33 pm
> > > Heh.. I'm the only one around here not bitching about the rain. It
can
> > > keep on like this no problemo.. water = power!!
> >
> > It is always good to have an alternatative perspective.
> It is always good to have a perspective that actually WORKS.
> Graham
My apologies all. Not sure what is up with my news server, but my original
post has disappeared and with it any direct responses that may have given a
yea or nay to the original idea of a single method to store/convert both
waterwheel and solar power to something that could augment an existing
electrical service or feed back to the grid.
The only references I see start with a "re:....." and they seem to be
several levels of posts down. Can anybody summarize what might have been
offered as constructive advice?
Posted by Eeyore on June 11, 2008, 10:44 pm
Mamba wrote:
> My apologies all. Not sure what is up with my news server, but my original
> post has disappeared
I have posted a fresh reply to it so it should re-appear.
> and with it any direct responses that may have given a
> yea or nay to the original idea of a single method to store/convert both
> waterwheel and solar power to something that could augment an existing
> electrical service or feed back to the grid.
Don't expect much power from a waterwheel running in a stream. If you can have
an overshot type, that may be enough to get a few 100 watts. Like the one here
...
http://www.itsnoteasybeinggreen.org/
PV solar is so insanely expensive that you'd need a VERY good reason to use it.
Solar thermal is far smarter.
Is there any usable wind ?
Are you off-grid ? Oh - you're not in which case making your own electricity is
largely nuts and tokenism/hobbyism. Spend the money on insulation to reduce
your energy NEEDS in the first place. Amazing how so many people miss the
obvious.
Graham
Posted by Mamba on June 13, 2008, 6:18 pm
> Mamba wrote:
> > My apologies all. Not sure what is up with my news server, but my
original
> > post has disappeared
> I have posted a fresh reply to it so it should re-appear.
> > and with it any direct responses that may have given a
> > yea or nay to the original idea of a single method to store/convert both
> > waterwheel and solar power to something that could augment an existing
> > electrical service or feed back to the grid.
> Don't expect much power from a waterwheel running in a stream. If you can
have
> an overshot type, that may be enough to get a few 100 watts. Like the one
here
> ...
> http://www.itsnoteasybeinggreen.org/
> PV solar is so insanely expensive that you'd need a VERY good reason to
use it.
> Solar thermal is far smarter.
> Is there any usable wind ?
> Are you off-grid ? Oh - you're not in which case making your own
electricity is
> largely nuts and tokenism/hobbyism. Spend the money on insulation to
reduce
> your energy NEEDS in the first place. Amazing how so many people miss the
> obvious.
> Graham
Dang, I still don't see any new top posts on this subject, I guess I need to
resolve my reader problems before tackling supplemental energy.
As to the topic of minimizing energy needs, I think we have that covered.
We don't heat the place except for a woodstove, no AC (that's what creeks
are for!), and the only energy draw besides a well pump is super efficient
fridge and the occasional light bulb. Since we are there rarely (average 6
days/mo), I was thinking the abundance of solar and water (if somehow
convertible) would allow us to easily recoup our energy costs, and that's
where my delusions of an excess came from.
Just as a side note, I don't think anything anybody is willing to try to
reduce their carbon footprint should be labeled as tokenism. I am just a
working slob like many others, and don't have a ton of money to "burn"
(pardon the pun) but I'm willing to at least give it thought and a good try.
Cheers
Gary
Posted by Jonathan Grobe on June 11, 2008, 11:32 pm
>>
> My apologies all. Not sure what is up with my news server, but my original
> post has disappeared and with it any direct responses that may have given a
> yea or nay to the original idea of a single method to store/convert both
> waterwheel and solar power to something that could augment an existing
> electrical service or feed back to the grid.
> The only references I see start with a "re:....." and they seem to be
> several levels of posts down. Can anybody summarize what might have been
> offered as constructive advice?
You can always find the posts at
http://groups.google.com
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Posted by Eeyore on June 11, 2008, 10:35 pm
Mamba wrote:
> We are fixing up a cabin in a remote location near a stream. While we do
> have electrical service there, we have been thinking about trying to augment
> our power needs with solar or water power, and feed some back into the grid
> to offset power costs.
> The stream is about 150' away and runs pretty strong in winter and spring,
> and would certainly turn a small water wheel, which I believe I could
> fashion. In summer, there is a lot of solar that could be tapped (although
> the price of the panels and installation is prohibitive so far).
> My main concern is to find a way of converting these differing power sources
> into a single storage medium that would work to use for residential power,
> and to feed the grid when we aren't around to consume the power. I
> understand it will be some method of converting generated current to battery
> storage and I have done some preliminary searching, but am not finding any
> simple-speak sites that might explain how such a setup might work. Can
> anybody point me to the right info?
Here is another reply to your original post so all can see once again where you
started.
Graham
can
> > > keep on like this no problemo.. water = power!!
> >
> > It is always good to have an alternatative perspective.
> It is always good to have a perspective that actually WORKS.
> Graham