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Posted by amdx on January 18, 2012, 1:46 am
On 1/17/2012 6:04 PM, Martin Riddle wrote:

   In the context Rossi was using, ending up with copper
is a side effect of ( And I'm really stretching here) removing
the proton from hydrogen. In order to produce heat the proton is removed
from hydrogen and the nickel is used to facilitate this.
  The copper is just a side effect (byproduct).
  Rossi could throw that proton elsewhere if he could get
it from the hydrogen.
Again, I'm just pokin at the edges, may not have a clue.
Could be wildly inaccurate, just my speculation.
  Hoping it is a real process that changes the world.

Posted by Martin Riddle on January 18, 2012, 3:38 am

Transmutation = a reaction in which particles from one decay are used to
transform another atomic nucleus

A reaction, not a side effect.


Posted by amdx on January 18, 2012, 1:11 pm
 On 1/17/2012 9:38 PM, Martin Riddle wrote:

   It is semantics.
In the "context" of what Rossi said, copper is just a side effect.
I originally thought that the transmutation produced the heat.
Now it seems (to me) that the heat is produced when the proton is
removed from the hydrogen. The side effect is copper.
Again semantics.
  I just hope it works!

Posted by Jim Wilkins on January 18, 2012, 3:38 am

Hydrogen IS a proton, the electron is optional.

Gaseous hydrogen consists of two hydrogen atoms bonded into a molecule. Many
metals including nickel can break apart the hydrogen molecule into its two
separate protons which adhere to the metal atoms while their electrons join
the party with all the others. (In metals the electrons roam freely, that's
why they conduct electricity so well)

Chemically hydrogen would be a metal if compressed and cooled enough, so
nickel + proton is an alloy.

It's more like water wetting a sponge than a true chemical reaction and the
hydrogen protons don't stick tightly, or release a lot of energy, but the
protons are more available to react with other things when lightly stuck to
the nickel than when happily bonded to each other as a gas. One example that
uses this is a Coleman lantern mantle.

Another is nickel-metal hydride batteries which store a lot of hydrogen
compactly without a pressure vessel this way.
Since Wiki is going down, here's a non-beginner explanation:


Posted by Morris Dovey on January 18, 2012, 7:13 pm
 On 1/18/12 12:20 PM, amdx wrote:


Interesting that you should mention that. An independent Swedish
analysis of some used fuel powder provided by Rossi was reported to
contain an almost equal percentage of both copper and iron.

Until that's been corroborated by others, I've filed that info in the
"possibly significant" bin - but if it's actually so, then it may
indicate that there may be fission underway along with the fusion.

There does seem to be agreement that only stable isotopes are produced.

Morris Dovey

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