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Posted by daestrom on August 14, 2010, 2:13 pm

News wrote:

So where do the dissolved solids go?

Apparently not in *all* cases.  The phenomenon is not always
reproducible (a sign of instrumentation problems).  And Griggs never
makes such a claim.

They are

Only in some warped world is an electric motor and a spinning rotor
inside a casing considered 'simpler' than a strip of resistance wire.
Such a statement is just plain silly.


Posted by News on August 14, 2010, 3:36 pm

I believe they stay suspended.

The Russians who use the domestic version say their heating bills dropped
substantially when moving over from immersed resistance heaters. The Yusmar
unit operates differently than the Griggs unit.

There is no separate pump the heating and circulator are all in one small
unit. No resistance heaters to burn out.  Having a hydronic system with a
resistance heater and pump by definition consumes more energy - two
components consuming energy.  And more complexity.  So much for being a
warped. Duh!  I but I know about heating systems.


Posted by daestrom on August 14, 2010, 8:25 pm

News wrote:


Your link below states that the owner was *not* able to substantiate the
over-unity claims.

That's a faulty 'definition'.  Having two separate components does not
mean it consumes more energy.  Obviously a standard circulating pump
does not draw as much power as a hydrosonic pump.

I put it to you that a pump designed for highly efficient movement of
water (i.e. a standard circulating pump) and a heating element that is
100% efficient probably out-performs a 'pump' that is designed to heat
the water more than move it.

The reports from the link you provided tell a different story:


These all show efficiencies down around 80% and lower.

In all of these, the author was unable to reproduce the claimed
over-unity performance, despite numerous variations in the system

So while the Russian manufacturer claims over-unity performance, it
would seem it's some sort of 'secret' that can't be reproduced.


Posted by News on August 18, 2010, 9:09 pm

The maker does not. NASA tested it - whether the tests were correct is
another matter. The users claim over-unity as their electricity bills
dropped by 1/3.

Posted by sno on August 18, 2010, 10:47 pm

On 8/18/2010 5:09 PM, News wrote:

NASA tested it...???.....I believe if you check all nasa did was help
grigg's discover why the bearings on his device were failing...they did
it under transfer of tech program they had going...they determined what
kind..??...type of materials the bearings needed to be to handle the

hope helps...have fun.....sno

Correct Scientific Terminology:
Hypothesis - a guess as to why or how something occurs
Theory - a hypothesis that has been checked by enough experiments
  to be generally assumed to be true.
Law - a hypothesis that has been checked by enough experiments
  in enough different ways that it is assumed to be truer then a theory.
Note: nothing is proven in science, things are assumed to be true.

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