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Posted by daestrom on April 2, 2011, 4:01 pm
On 4/1/2011 13:21 PM, T. Keating wrote:

Yeah, if you happened to be so scared by crazy alarmists like Keating
and take too many.  This is the *real* danger from Keating's rants.
He'll scare the public into doing something totally unnecessary and
cause panic and death.  Yet Keating doesn't care.

People that work in emergency management expect that any mass evacuation
order will result in about 1 death / 100,000 people evacuated just due
to the panic (riots, car-crashes, hysteria).  Which is why *responsible*
people don't foment panic with wild claims (unlike our Mr. Keating).

The KI pills come with obvious warnings for those that are especially
allergic to iodine (i.e. allergic to shellfish or cat-scan dye is a
common symptom).

Taken properly, KI pills are no more dangerous than aspirin.

More likely, the 'real' reason they are not distributing it is that the
small hazard of taking them is higher than the current levels of
radioactive iodine.  As I said, *responsible* people consider the
relative risks involved and make informed statements, not wild rantings.

With such a high iodine intake, one would expect that your 1 to 2% for
'general population' is probably wrong for them.  By your numbers,
Japanese people would be going to the hospital every day with 'thyroid

Silly twit.  You don't take the pills to satisfy the daily intake of
potassium.  Where did you get such nonsense?  Now you're just being
stupid.  Or you're trying to scare everyone else out of using KI in an
emergency so there will be more for you.  Typical.

Ingesting a gallon of 50/50 automotive anti-freeze in order to satisfy
one days intake of water would also kill fairly quickly.  What's your
point?  That overdosing on a drug is dangerous?  Thanks 'captain obvious'.

Of course I doubt anyone would take 50 to 100 pills unless some lunatic
'scientist' like Keating whipped their fears of radioactive iodine up
into such a frenzy that they were scared out of their minds.  Something
you contribute to with your wild rantings.


Posted by T. Keating on April 12, 2011, 5:15 pm
On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 00:00:03 -0700 (PDT), The Ghost in The Machine


Published: 11 April 2011
Radiation risks from Fukushima 'no longer negligible' [fr]

"The risks associated with iodine-131 contamination in Europe are no
longer "negligible," according to CRIIRAD, a French research body on
radioactivity. The NGO is advising pregnant women and infants against
"risky behaviour," such as consuming fresh milk or vegetables with
large leaves."

The document, published on 7 April, advises against consuming
"rainwater and says vulnerable groups such as children and pregnant or
breastfeeding women should avoid consuming vegetables with large
leaves, fresh milk and creamy cheese."

"Data for the west coast of the United States, which received the
Fukushima radioactive  fallout 6-10 days before France, reveals that
levels of radioactive iodine-131 concentration are 8-10 times higher
there, the institute says."

Whoops.. where are the US government warnings???  nada.. el-zippo..

Allowing  US citizens to be exposed to radioactive fallout is a PROFIT
enhancing activity our private health care and insurance industries.

 Now watch as private health insurance rates in the US  double, then
triple.  And if this exposure manages to kill you off before you hit
retirement age, it will make the GOP so very happy.  

I think this is probably the single biggest reason to Socialize the US
medical industry.

Posted by vaughn on April 12, 2011, 5:42 pm

When the truth won't do, that's no problem for Keating.  He just invents new
boogiemen and conspiracy theories.  The above is a great example.

So you can point to a similar increase in insurance rates in the late 1980's and
you have the data to tie that increase to Chernobyl?  Please present your data
or retract your wild statement.

(Sigh) More Keating silliness.


Posted by you on April 12, 2011, 7:58 pm

This is mostly BULL SHIT.... Check the Half-Life of Iodine 131...
It is 8 Days..... And just where, and when is Iodine 131 produced
in these type Reactors? Only where the reactor is IN OPERATION, and it is
only released when the Fuel Rod Cladding, is breached. Yes, this did
happen, but by this time the Iodine 131 has long since decayed in to
background. It is the Cesium 137, that is the problem, it has a
Half-life of 30 years, and it it still being discharged to the
atmosphere, today.

It would be NICE if the Idiot that wrote this RAG, actually did some
RESEARCH into what he is writing about and got the Isotope in question
Right in the first place.  

God I hate incompetence...

Posted by daestrom on April 16, 2011, 1:39 pm
 On 4/12/2011 13:15 PM, T. Keating wrote:


Again with the misleading nonsense.  Your 'expert article' confuses
micro-Sieverts with mSv (a factor of 1000) and state the contamination
levels are on the order of 0.08 Bq/kg for salad.  So infants, the most
susceptible would have to eat 100 kg of salad to get 8 Bq ingested.  How
many days does that take?  How much I-131 would be left in their system
after that time?  (remember, the amount of I-131 in the environment is
not a constant).

And your article says doses can be considered negligible if less than 10
microSieverts / hour.  So over the course of a week, if you receive a
total dose of 1.68 milliSieverts, it's still 'negligible'.  Your source,
not mine.

Now, why don't you tell us the total dose to an individual in the US and
compare that with what your article considers 'negligible'?  The reason
you don't do that is because either the math is beyond you, or the
results would show how foolish you are.  Either way, you lose so you
don't bother.


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