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Posted by Spehro Pefhany on July 16, 2008, 10:50 am
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:21:15 -0700, John Larkin
>>
>> I ran across the following article about the hydrogen economy, I've been
>>waiting for an viable algae system to produce hydrogen, but this leads me to
>>believe hydrogen is not the answer to our energy independence.
>> http://www.planetforlife.com/h2/h2swiss.html
>>Conclusion:
>>According to B&E, the hydrogen economy idea does not work for multiple
>>reasons. They point out that there is no practical source of hydrogen, no
>>good way to store hydrogen, and no good way to distribute hydrogen. Many of
>>the problems of hydrogen stem from the physical and chemical properties of
>>hydrogen. Technology cannot change these facts.
>>
>>It is difficult to understand the enthusiasm for hydrogen in view of the
>>above, Hydrogen does not solve the energy problem and it is a bad
>>choice for carrying energy.
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>Hydrogen is plentiful and easy to store and distribute, and a superb
>way to transport energy; just attach it to carbon.
>John
Brilliant. What shall we call this substance? "Hydro-carbon" or
something like that?
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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Posted by James Arthur on July 16, 2008, 11:43 am
Spehro Pefhany wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:21:15 -0700, John Larkin
>
>>
>>> I ran across the following article about the hydrogen economy, I've been
>>> waiting for an viable algae system to produce hydrogen, but this leads me to
>>> believe hydrogen is not the answer to our energy independence.
>>> http://www.planetforlife.com/h2/h2swiss.html
>>> Conclusion:
>>> According to B&E, the hydrogen economy idea does not work for multiple
>>> reasons. They point out that there is no practical source of hydrogen, no
>>> good way to store hydrogen, and no good way to distribute hydrogen. Many of
>>> the problems of hydrogen stem from the physical and chemical properties of
>>> hydrogen. Technology cannot change these facts.
>>>
>>> It is difficult to understand the enthusiasm for hydrogen in view of the
>>> above, Hydrogen does not solve the energy problem and it is a bad
>>> choice for carrying energy.
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Hydrogen is plentiful and easy to store and distribute, and a superb
>> way to transport energy; just attach it to carbon.
>>
>> John
>
> Brilliant. What shall we call this substance? "Hydro-carbon" or
> something like that?
> Best regards,
> Spehro Pefhany
How about "carbohydrate", as some prefer? That one's popular too.
Cheers,
James Arthur
Posted by Spehro Pefhany on July 16, 2008, 11:52 am On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:43:01 GMT, James Arthur
>Spehro Pefhany wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:21:15 -0700, John Larkin
>>
>>>
>>>> I ran across the following article about the hydrogen economy, I've been
>>>> waiting for an viable algae system to produce hydrogen, but this leads me
to
>>>> believe hydrogen is not the answer to our energy independence.
>>>> http://www.planetforlife.com/h2/h2swiss.html
>>>> Conclusion:
>>>> According to B&E, the hydrogen economy idea does not work for multiple
>>>> reasons. They point out that there is no practical source of hydrogen, no
>>>> good way to store hydrogen, and no good way to distribute hydrogen. Many of
>>>> the problems of hydrogen stem from the physical and chemical properties of
>>>> hydrogen. Technology cannot change these facts.
>>>>
>>>> It is difficult to understand the enthusiasm for hydrogen in view of the
>>>> above, Hydrogen does not solve the energy problem and it is a bad
>>>> choice for carrying energy.
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Hydrogen is plentiful and easy to store and distribute, and a superb
>>> way to transport energy; just attach it to carbon.
>>>
>>> John
>>
>> Brilliant. What shall we call this substance? "Hydro-carbon" or
>> something like that?
>> Best regards,
>> Spehro Pefhany
>How about "carbohydrate", as some prefer? That one's popular too.
>Cheers,
>James Arthur
Tastes good vs. less filling?
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
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Posted by a7yvm109gf5d1 on July 16, 2008, 1:27 pm
> Spehro Pefhany wrote:
> > On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:21:15 -0700, John Larkin
> >>> I ran across the following article about the hydrogen economy, I've been
> >>> waiting for an viable algae system to produce hydrogen, but this leads me
to
> >>> believe hydrogen is not the answer to our energy independence.
> >>>http://www.planetforlife.com/h2/h2swiss.html
> >>> Conclusion:
> >>> According to B&E, the hydrogen economy idea does not work for multiple
> >>> reasons. They point out that there is no practical source of hydrogen, no
> >>> good way to store hydrogen, and no good way to distribute hydrogen. Many of
> >>> the problems of hydrogen stem from the physical and chemical properties of
> >>> hydrogen. Technology cannot change these facts.
> >>> It is difficult to understand the enthusiasm for hydrogen in view of the
> >>> above, Hydrogen does not solve the energy problem and it is a bad
> >>> choice for carrying energy.
> >>> Mike
> >> Hydrogen is plentiful and easy to store and distribute, and a superb
> >> way to transport energy; just attach it to carbon.
> >> John
> > Brilliant. What shall we call this substance? "Hydro-carbon" or
> > something like that?
> > Best regards,
> > Spehro Pefhany
> How about "carbohydrate", as some prefer? That one's popular too.
> Cheers,
> James Arthur
Er, you do realize there's a difference between "hydrocarbon" and
"carbohydrate"?
The latter as the name suggests, contains water hydrating the carbons.
Like common table sugar, C12H22O11, there is always a 2:1 ratio of
hydrogen to oxygen. Hydrocarbons, like methane, CH4, don't need to
contain osygen and certainly don't have a 2:1 ratio of H to O.
Posted by James Arthur on July 16, 2008, 4:25 pm a7yvm109gf5d1@netzero.com wrote:
> James Arthur wrote:
>> Spehro Pefhany wrote:
>>> John Larkin wrote:
>>>> Hydrogen is plentiful and easy to store and distribute, and a superb
>>>> way to transport energy; just attach it to carbon.
>>>> John
>>> Brilliant. What shall we call this substance? "Hydro-carbon" or
>>> something like that?
>>> Best regards,
>>> Spehro Pefhany
>>
>> How about "carbohydrate", as some prefer? That one's popular too.
>>
> Er, you do realize there's a difference between "hydrocarbon" and
> "carbohydrate"?
Yes, but carbohydrates are so much easier to grow, and even easier
to subsidize. Hence their popularity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biofuel
Grins,
James Arthur
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>> I ran across the following article about the hydrogen economy, I've been
>>waiting for an viable algae system to produce hydrogen, but this leads me to
>>believe hydrogen is not the answer to our energy independence.
>> http://www.planetforlife.com/h2/h2swiss.html
>>Conclusion:
>>According to B&E, the hydrogen economy idea does not work for multiple
>>reasons. They point out that there is no practical source of hydrogen, no
>>good way to store hydrogen, and no good way to distribute hydrogen. Many of
>>the problems of hydrogen stem from the physical and chemical properties of
>>hydrogen. Technology cannot change these facts.
>>
>>It is difficult to understand the enthusiasm for hydrogen in view of the
>>above, Hydrogen does not solve the energy problem and it is a bad
>>choice for carrying energy.
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>Hydrogen is plentiful and easy to store and distribute, and a superb
>way to transport energy; just attach it to carbon.
>John