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Posted by Eeyore on July 21, 2008, 10:54 am
Vaughn Simon wrote:
> "Don Klipstein" wrote
> >Why does USA need to put a wall between
> > itself and Cuba while trading with China as "most favored nation"?
> One word answer: Politics.
> A couple of years ago, the wife and I took a Caribbean cruise. Twice, our
> ship stopped for Cubans on makeshift floating objects. Although our crew tried
> to convince the Cubans to come aboard to safety, they all preferred their
rafts.
> Coming aboard would have meant their ultimate return to Cuba.
> I will never forget that situation: Us on our ship with *everything*; them
> on their raft with *nothing* (perhaps not even their lives). We did not want
> aboard their raft, they did not want aboard our ship. What was the barrier
> between us? Politics!
> A few days later, Hurricane Wilma swept through that area and likely made
> fish food out of some of those poor people.
It's nuts isn't it ?
If the USA would normalise relations with Cuba (hopefully extracting some 'human
rights' issues into the bargain) it could be a fantastic bonus for the entire
region.
Graham
Posted by Kris Krieger on July 21, 2008, 7:05 pm
>
>>Why does USA need to put a wall between
>> itself and Cuba while trading with China as "most favored nation"?
>>
> One word answer: Politics.
>
> A couple of years ago, the wife and I took a Caribbean cruise.
> Twice, our
> ship stopped for Cubans on makeshift floating objects. Although our
> crew tried to convince the Cubans to come aboard to safety, they all
> preferred their rafts. Coming aboard would have meant their ultimate
> return to Cuba.
>
> I will never forget that situation: Us on our ship with
> *everything*; them
> on their raft with *nothing* (perhaps not even their lives). We did
> not want aboard their raft, they did not want aboard our ship. What
> was the barrier between us? Politics!
The thing is that, if I have this stright, the US policy is that, if you
come out of the ocean and set you foot (literally) on dry US land, you're
automatically accepted into the US, but if ther eis an intermediary (such
as your cruise ship), it's "adios". I guess it's a way of rewarding the
travails of the crossing, but that's just a guess on my part...
I do think it's stupid to be X-billion (or is it X-trillion now?) dollars
in debt to China (so as to fund the Iraq thing), yet stomp on Cuba, esp.
since there is no Soviet Union any more, and hell, don't we trade with
North Viet Nam?, plus, Castro is pretty much out of office (isn't he as old
as the hills by now?)
IMO, it's just a Habit. I remember th eBerlin Wal going up, but even I
think it's a recidivist policy.
>
> A few days later, Hurricane Wilma swept through that area and
> likely made
> fish food out of some of those poor people.
>
> Vaughn
>
>
>
Posted by Vaughn Simon on July 21, 2008, 8:23 pm
> The thing is that, if I have this stright, the US policy is that, if you
> come out of the ocean and set you foot (literally) on dry US land, you're
> automatically accepted into the US, but if ther eis an intermediary (such
> as your cruise ship), it's "adios".
We are getting some legendary thread drift here, but yes, I believe you
have that right. It is called the "wet foot/dry foot policy". The helluvit is,
these particular Cubans did not seem to be making for the US, at least not
directly. We believe that Mexico was their immediate goal.
The basic policy towards Cuba has been maintained by both US political
parties over the decades because the Cuban-American community wants it that way,
and they vote.
Vaughn
Posted by Kris Krieger on July 22, 2008, 12:43 am
>
>> The thing is that, if I have this stright, the US policy is that, if
>> you come out of the ocean and set you foot (literally) on dry US
>> land, you're automatically accepted into the US, but if ther eis an
>> intermediary (such as your cruise ship), it's "adios".
> We are getting some legendary thread drift here, but yes, I
> believe you
> have that right. It is called the "wet foot/dry foot policy". The
> helluvit is, these particular Cubans did not seem to be making for the
> US, at least not directly. We believe that Mexico was their immediate
> goal.
Mexico ain't exactly an immigrant's paradise, either...from any angle, I
think it is a human tragedy.
>
> The basic policy towards Cuba has been maintained by both US
> political
> parties over the decades because the Cuban-American community wants it
> that way, and they vote.
>
> Vaughn
I personally don't understand how that policy will be relevant when Castro
and the Old Guard die. I guess people want to see them punished, but it
seems to me that the people being punished are the ordinary people. As it
is, the US has no leverage for inducing Cuba to release political prisoners
and improve its human rights policies - it's not like we're going to invade
them, so ther is neither carrot, nor stick.
I'm sure there is more to it than I know - I just think it's very sad.
Posted by Don Klipstein on July 21, 2008, 12:21 am
<BIG SNIP of previously quoted material to edit for space>
>Ugh, and that nasty High Fructose Corn Syrup.
Not that this is "health food", but I am easily "rubbed the wrong way"
by anyone and everyone saying, implying, hinting, whatever that HFCS is
outright poison but sucrose or even raw cane sugar or "brown sugar" is
"wholesome" or something along those lines.
Most "high fructose corn syrup" is HFCS-55, meaning sugar content
breaking down to 55% fructose and the other 45% glucose.
Latter are all generally 48-51% glucose 48-51% fructose as far as
calorie content goes.
Along with this, I see all-too-much the anti-carbers saying how carbs in
general and glucose make people overeat by being remaining hungry by
stimulating production of insulin, while also saying that fructose causes
people to overeat due to being remaining hungry from lack of insulin
production stimulus! That makes me think along lines of one having one's
cake after eating it?
> The older I get, the fewer
>processed foods I eat, not so much because I don't like cereal or so on,
>but there is so much HFCS in the vast majority of products now that
>they're inedible to me - I don't know how poeple can stomach the stuff.
>Even something as simple as a Kaiser roll is now nauseatingly sweet.
>I've gotten to where I'm starting to even make my own bread, that's how
>disgusting most of the commercial items have gotten. And obesity is
>described as being "an epidemic" among even young children. The last
>thing we need is ever-more HFCS in everything. And studies indicate that
>it is worse than regular sugar, something to do with it being iether
>unrecognized ro poorly-recognized by the hormones that signal the brain
>we're satiated. Not to mention that the hidden sugar only contributes to
>obesity and type-II diabetes. I mean, why the heck does something like
>*sausage* "need' to have HFCS added?
The low-carb advocates still advocate sausage! Not that I advocate
sausage due to high calorie density, mostly from fat, and due to sausage
usually having little other than fat and water!
Not that I favor processed foods!
> IMO, it'd be a blessing if that crap was turned into ethanol, because
>that'd mean less of it would be going into food products.
>At least, that is my opinionated opinion ;)
Certainly I think that if there was a way to put sausage (more
realistically fats in general) usefully into a car's fuel tank as opposed
to into human gigestion systems, then the world would be a better place!
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
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> >Why does USA need to put a wall between
> > itself and Cuba while trading with China as "most favored nation"?
> One word answer: Politics.
> A couple of years ago, the wife and I took a Caribbean cruise. Twice, our
> ship stopped for Cubans on makeshift floating objects. Although our crew tried
> to convince the Cubans to come aboard to safety, they all preferred their