don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote in
> wrote:
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>>Ugh, and that nasty High Fructose Corn Syrup.
>
> Not that this is "health food", but I am easily "rubbed the wrong
> way"
> by anyone and everyone saying, implying, hinting, whatever that HFCS
> is outright poison but sucrose or even raw cane sugar or "brown sugar"
> is "wholesome" or something along those lines.
I didn't. But HFCS is almost ubiquitous, as opposed to cane sugar.
Adding increasing amounts of *any* sugar to foods across the board is
bad.
> Most "high fructose corn syrup" is HFCS-55, meaning sugar content
> breaking down to 55% fructose and the other 45% glucose.
> Latter are all generally 48-51% glucose 48-51% fructose as far as
> calorie content goes.
>
> Along with this, I see all-too-much the anti-carbers
There are certain facts about carbohydrates, and how they are digested
and interact with the body, which show that simple carbohydrates should
not be consumed in large quantities.
It's irresponsible to dismiss those facts as someo sort of "anti carb"
mania.
> saying how
> carbs in
> general and glucose make people overeat by being remaining hungry by
> stimulating production of insulin,
Not "remaining" hungry, but yes, simple carbohydrates are converted very
rapidly by the body into simple sugars that,yes, *do* stimulate a burst
of insulin. So people feel hungry again *sooner*. If people consume
large quantities of simple carbs over a period of years, most especially
in conjunction with other poor/low-nutritional-value eating habits, it
*does* put additional stress on the pancreas, and *does* very often lead
to Type II diabetes.
> while also saying that fructose
> causes people to overeat due to being remaining hungry from lack of
> insulin production stimulus!
Huh??? There is evidence suggesting that HFCS interferes with the proper
release of leptin, the hormone that triggers the "full tank" signal in
the brain.
> That makes me think along lines of one
> having one's cake after eating it?
I don't know what you mean with the cake phrse, but it's been shown that
people feel satiated for longer when they eat a high-protein meal, as
opposed to *either* a high-fat or high-carb meal.
Also, when people say "carbs", what they usually shoudl be saying is
"simple carbohydrates", i.e. short-chain carbohydrates, as opposed to
complex (long-chain) carbohydtrates. The shorter/simpler the molecule,
the more rapidly the body converts the carbohydrate to simple sugars.
That's a biochemical fact. Simple carbs include potatoes, pasta and
other items made from refined (white) flour, and the biggest proportion
of what's in a kernel of corn.
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>> The older I get, the fewer
>>processed foods I eat, not so much because I don't like cereal or so
>>on, but there is so much HFCS in the vast majority of products now
>>that they're inedible to me - I don't know how poeple can stomach the
>>stuff. Even something as simple as a Kaiser roll is now nauseatingly
>>sweet. I've gotten to where I'm starting to even make my own bread,
>>that's how disgusting most of the commercial items have gotten. And
>>obesity is described as being "an epidemic" among even young children.
>> The last thing we need is ever-more HFCS in everything. And studies
>>indicate that it is worse than regular sugar, something to do with it
>>being iether unrecognized ro poorly-recognized by the hormones that
>>signal the brain we're satiated. Not to mention that the hidden sugar
>>only contributes to obesity and type-II diabetes. I mean, why the
>>heck does something like *sausage* "need' to have HFCS added?
>
> The low-carb advocates still advocate sausage! Not that I advocate
> sausage due to high calorie density, mostly from fat, and due to
> sausage usually having little other than fat and water!
There is a difference between people who say "No Simple Carbs", and the
FACT that a healthy diet is a balanced diet.
Unnecessary sugars (regardless of type) added into anything and
everything is *not* healthy.
A healthy diet can of course include sausage. But it also includes
vegetables of all colors and varieties, a variety of different legumes,
whole grains (meaning, that have not had all of the hull, with its
fiberand nutrients, stripped off), and a variety of protein sources,
including lean meat, milk/cheese, poultry, fish, and vegetable
combinations (such as, Brown Rice and Lentil Pilaf, Spanikopita, spinach
with mushrooms, and so on, and on, and on), fruit in season.
If you have sausage subs today, then tomorrow, have baked or pan-cooked
plain salmon with steamed or *lightly* sauteed (in olive or walnut oil)
vegetables, such as a blend of zucchini, yellow squash, diced carrots,
and canellini (white kidney beans) lightly sauteed with fresh basil, a
bit of pepper, a *bit* of salt, and a pinch each of oregano, sage, and
thyme in virgin olive oil (I like Monini Fruttato, very flavorful), with
some diced drained fresh tomato thrown in during the last couple minutes
- *yuuummmmm*.
All of this *used* to be called "simple common sense", back when I was a
kid. These days, it's treated like some obtuse mystical secret :p
>
> Not that I favor processed foods!
"All things in moderation."
I never heard any activ centenarian say they got to be 100+ by living on
watercress and dry flaxseed. Living on that, who'd *want* to live to
100... OTOH, sme watercress in a salad of leafy greens with veggies and
cukes is good. ANd flaxseeds can be good in some things.
"All things in moderation."
The problem is that adding increasing amounts of unnecessary sugars is
not moderation. Moderation is being able to *control* one' sconsumption
of sugars, and try to restict simple sugars/starches to being an
occasional treat, *not* an every-day staple.
If you live on nothing but fast-food mega-meals with extra mayo and extra
"cheese" (in quotes because they use processed "cheese product"), and
complete with sugary sweets, yeah, you prob. will be very overweight, and
not particularly healthy. **BUT**, that doesn't mean that nobody should
ever eat fast food. Hey, I like my Popeye's Spicy chicken with CHeddar
Poppers and spicy fries and red beans'n'rice on the side. I also only
get it maybe once every few months.
>
>> IMO, it'd be a blessing if that crap was turned into ethanol,
>> because
>>that'd mean less of it would be going into food products.
>>
>>At least, that is my opinionated opinion ;)
>
> Certainly I think that if there was a way to put sausage (more
> realistically fats in general) usefully into a car's fuel tank as
> opposed to into human gigestion systems, then the world would be a
> better place!
>
> - Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
>
All I can say is that sausage, or suasage on a whole-grain tortilla,
doesn't make me go hypoglycemic, but if I ate coffee and sugar-glazed
donuts for breakfast at 7AM, by 10AM I would literally be passed out on
the floor sweating and shaking...
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>>don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote in
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>>> wrote:
>>>
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>>>
>>>>Ugh, and that nasty High Fructose Corn Syrup.
>>>
>>> Not that this is "health food", but I am easily "rubbed the wrong
>>> way"
>>> by anyone and everyone saying, implying, hinting, whatever that HFCS
>>> is outright poison but sucrose or even raw cane sugar or "brown sugar"
>>> is "wholesome" or something along those lines.
>>
>>I didn't. But HFCS is almost ubiquitous, as opposed to cane sugar.
>
> Yeah, keep away from sweet corn on the cob. Most people don't realize
> that it's *full* of the stuff.
Well, corn *is* very high in simple sugars. As I said in th esnipped
portion, "All things in moderation". One or two ears of corn isn't going
to kill anyone, but it's not veryhealthy if the only vegetable one *ever*
eats is corn.
>
>>Adding increasing amounts of *any* sugar to foods across the board is
>>bad.
>
> Mothers are especially bad in that respect.
>
If they fall ofr the hype, and give in every single time the children whine
that they want something sweet, yeah, that's true.
I have a friend who teaches in a soemwhat "inner city" elementary school,
and *if* the kids are sent to school with breakfast, it's most typically
something like coffee and donuts, because the parent(s) doesn't know any
better - having a kid doesn't instantly instill the wisdom of the ages into
anyone. That's why outreach programs are important: to help parents.
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> <BIG SNIP of previously quoted material to edit for space>
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>>Ugh, and that nasty High Fructose Corn Syrup.
>
> Not that this is "health food", but I am easily "rubbed the wrong
> way"
> by anyone and everyone saying, implying, hinting, whatever that HFCS
> is outright poison but sucrose or even raw cane sugar or "brown sugar"
> is "wholesome" or something along those lines.