Posted by amdx on July 5, 2008, 2:38 pm
Louisiana has figured out that ethanol from corn is an inefficient stupid
process and produced legislation to back it.
http://news.mongabay.com/2008/0701-ethanol.html
Now if the rest of the states can follow.
Farm lobby by d$*^#d. No more corn subsidies..
And what about Butanol.
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butanol_fuel
Butanol better tolerates water contamination and is less corrosive than
ethanol and more suitable for distribution through existing pipelines
(important to an efficient use MK)
High octane rating .
Higher specific energy than ethanol
The feedstocks are the same as for ethanol: energy crops such as sugar
beets, sugar cane, corn grain, wheat and cassava as well as agricultural
byproducts such as straw and corn stalks (reference needed).
Can be made from Algae
We need nuclear power and a better battery for autos.
We need energy independence.
Mike (MK)
Posted by Eeyore on July 5, 2008, 5:36 pm
amdx wrote:
> Louisiana has figured out that ethanol from corn is an inefficient stupid
> process and produced legislation to back it.
> http://news.mongabay.com/2008/0701-ethanol.html
> Now if the rest of the states can follow.
> Farm lobby by d$*^#d. No more corn subsidies..
Damn right. Corn is a relatively poor feedstock for bio-fuel production.. Not
maybe useless but far from ideal.
> And what about Butanol.
> From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butanol_fuel
> Butanol better tolerates water contamination and is less corrosive than
> ethanol and more suitable for distribution through existing pipelines
> (important to an efficient use MK)
> High octane rating .
> Higher specific energy than ethanol
> The feedstocks are the same as for ethanol: energy crops such as sugar
> beets, sugar cane, corn grain, wheat and cassava as well as agricultural
> byproducts such as straw and corn stalks (reference needed).
And currently being developed in the UK using sugar beet as feedstock.
Graham
Posted by amdx on July 6, 2008, 7:37 am
> amdx wrote:
>> Louisiana has figured out that ethanol from corn is an inefficient
>> stupid
>> process and produced legislation to back it.
>> http://news.mongabay.com/2008/0701-ethanol.html
>> Now if the rest of the states can follow.
>> Farm lobby by d$*^#d. No more corn subsidies..
> Damn right. Corn is a relatively poor feedstock for bio-fuel production..
> Not
> maybe useless but far from ideal.
>> And what about Butanol.
>>
>> From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butanol_fuel
>>
>> Butanol better tolerates water contamination and is less corrosive than
>> ethanol and more suitable for distribution through existing pipelines
>> (important to an efficient use MK)
>>
>> High octane rating .
>>
>> Higher specific energy than ethanol
>>
>> The feedstocks are the same as for ethanol: energy crops such as sugar
>> beets, sugar cane, corn grain, wheat and cassava as well as agricultural
>> byproducts such as straw and corn stalks (reference needed).
> And currently being developed in the UK using sugar beet as feedstock.
> Graham
I wonder if there is any extra energy input to produce butanol instead of
ethanol? I t seems silly to make ethanol when butanol has all these
advantages.
Mike
Posted by Eeyore on July 6, 2008, 2:02 pm
amdx wrote:
> > amdx wrote:
> >
> >> Louisiana has figured out that ethanol from corn is an inefficient
> >> stupid process and produced legislation to back it.
> >> http://news.mongabay.com/2008/0701-ethanol.html
> >> Now if the rest of the states can follow.
> >> Farm lobby by d$*^#d. No more corn subsidies..
> >
> > Damn right. Corn is a relatively poor feedstock for bio-fuel production..
> > Not
> > maybe useless but far from ideal.
> >
> >> And what about Butanol.
> >>
> >> From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butanol_fuel
> >>
> >> Butanol better tolerates water contamination and is less corrosive than
> >> ethanol and more suitable for distribution through existing pipelines
> >> (important to an efficient use MK)
> >>
> >> High octane rating .
> >>
> >> Higher specific energy than ethanol
> >>
> >> The feedstocks are the same as for ethanol: energy crops such as sugar
> >> beets, sugar cane, corn grain, wheat and cassava as well as agricultural
> >> byproducts such as straw and corn stalks (reference needed).
> >
> > And currently being developed in the UK using sugar beet as feedstock.
> I wonder if there is any extra energy input to produce butanol instead of
> ethanol? I t seems silly to make ethanol when butanol has all these
> advantages.
You'll need to ask Du Pont.
Graham
Posted by amdx on July 7, 2008, 8:37 am
> Louisiana has figured out that ethanol from corn is an inefficient stupid
> process and produced legislation to back it.
> http://news.mongabay.com/2008/0701-ethanol.html
> Now if the rest of the states can follow.
> Farm lobby by d$*^#d. No more corn subsidies..
> And what about Butanol.
> From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butanol_fuel
> Butanol better tolerates water contamination and is less corrosive than
> ethanol and more suitable for distribution through existing pipelines
> (important to an efficient use MK)
> High octane rating .
> Higher specific energy than ethanol
> The feedstocks are the same as for ethanol: energy crops such as sugar
> beets, sugar cane, corn grain, wheat and cassava as well as agricultural
> byproducts such as straw and corn stalks (reference needed).
> Can be made from Algae
> We need nuclear power and a better battery for autos.
> We need energy independence.
> Mike (MK)
http://www.butanol.com/
Mike
> process and produced legislation to back it.
> http://news.mongabay.com/2008/0701-ethanol.html
> Now if the rest of the states can follow.
> Farm lobby by d$*^#d. No more corn subsidies..