Posted by Winston on January 22, 2009, 11:00 pm
http://www.trackg.com/R4CleanEnergy/Presentation-slides/Tuesday-tech-Ben%20Taube/Lou%20Circeo-Plasma%20Arc%20Gasification%20of%20Solid%20Waste.ppt
Your thoughts, please?
--Winston
Posted by William Wixon on January 23, 2009, 3:32 am
>
http://www.trackg.com/R4CleanEnergy/Presentation-slides/Tuesday-tech-Ben%20Taube/Lou%20Circeo-Plasma%20Arc%20Gasification%20of%20Solid%20Waste.ppt
> Your thoughts, please?
> --Winston
cool. never heard of it before, i don't know anything about it, other than
that i own a small plasma cutter. i kinda reeled back when i read in this
article than they're planning on "mining" an existing landfill and burning
up all the garbage in it. wow. i never woulda thought they'd be able to
generate energy from burning garbage with a plasma torch, i woulda thought
it would've just USED energy. wow.
http://www.americanrecycler.com/dec06/b/progressive.shtml
(<joking> i guess that would be a solution for me when new york state DEC
bans all outdoor burning, if i can get a home version of those babies!)
Posted by Winston on January 23, 2009, 6:52 am
William Wixon wrote:
>>
http://www.trackg.com/R4CleanEnergy/Presentation-slides/Tuesday-tech-Ben%20Taube/Lou%20Circeo-Plasma%20Arc%20Gasification%20of%20Solid%20Waste.ppt
>>
>> Your thoughts, please?
>>
>> --Winston
>
>
> cool. never heard of it before, i don't know anything about it, other than
> that i own a small plasma cutter. i kinda reeled back when i read in this
> article than they're planning on "mining" an existing landfill and burning
> up all the garbage in it. wow.
That's the beauty part. The garbage gets converted into a few inert granules,
steam process heat and two kinds of flammable gas *without* burning.
> i never woulda thought they'd be able to
> generate energy from burning garbage with a plasma torch, i woulda thought
> it would've just USED energy. wow.
Getting 21.4 x the input energy out of the process in the form of
steam and syngas is a fine bonus!
> http://www.americanrecycler.com/dec06/b/progressive.shtml
>
> (<joking> i guess that would be a solution for me when new york state DEC
> bans all outdoor burning, if i can get a home version of those babies!)
Using his numbers, seven cents worth of electricity and a cubic foot of
garbage turns into $.50 worth of energy output and a third of a cubic
inch of inert gravel.
This means I could put a 200 years worth of garbage in one 32 gallon can
while collecting over $8K in process heat and syngas from it.
Not too darned shabby.
How much did that plasma cutter cost, if you don't mind my asking?
--Winston
Posted by Tim Jackson on January 23, 2009, 8:50 am
Winston wrote:
> William Wixon wrote:
>>>
http://www.trackg.com/R4CleanEnergy/Presentation-slides/Tuesday-tech-Ben%20Taube/Lou%20Circeo-Plasma%20Arc%20Gasification%20of%20Solid%20Waste.ppt
>>>
>>>
>>> Your thoughts, please?
>>>
>>> --Winston
>>
>>
>> cool. never heard of it before, i don't know anything about it, other
>> than that i own a small plasma cutter. i kinda reeled back when i
>> read in this article than they're planning on "mining" an existing
>> landfill and burning up all the garbage in it. wow.
>
> That's the beauty part. The garbage gets converted into a few inert
> granules,
> steam process heat and two kinds of flammable gas *without* burning.
>
>> i never woulda thought they'd be able to generate energy from burning
>> garbage with a plasma torch, i woulda thought it would've just USED
>> energy. wow.
>
> Getting 21.4 x the input energy out of the process in the form of
> steam and syngas is a fine bonus!
>
>> http://www.americanrecycler.com/dec06/b/progressive.shtml
>>
>> (<joking> i guess that would be a solution for me when new york state
>> DEC bans all outdoor burning, if i can get a home version of those
>> babies!)
>
> Using his numbers, seven cents worth of electricity and a cubic foot of
> garbage turns into $.50 worth of energy output and a third of a cubic
> inch of inert gravel.
>
> This means I could put a 200 years worth of garbage in one 32 gallon can
> while collecting over $8K in process heat and syngas from it.
>
> Not too darned shabby.
>
> How much did that plasma cutter cost, if you don't mind my asking?
>
> --Winston
Posted by Jim Wilkins on January 23, 2009, 12:03 pm
> How much did that plasma cutter cost, if you don't mind my asking?
> --Winston
Here's a cheap one if you want to play;
>http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=97994
$000 and UP is more typical for industrial quality. Mine converts
240V, 30A and ~1HP of compressed air into a needle-thin plasma jet
that will cut 1/8" steel like scissors.
Like these scissors;
> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=38413
In effect all that electrical power equals 1 me-power with the hand
tool.
Jim Wilkins