Posted by Leonard Abbott on March 14, 2009, 11:35 pm
Ethonol is not used as fertelizer, the phosphate from decaying plant
life is the chemical compond that fertelizes.
the Grass and leaves will decay wheather we use the Ethonol or not.
presently the ethonol in land fills is an inviromental problem, save the
ecology and burn the ethonol for fuel.
One of the problems with sewer plants, they deposit too much phosphate
into the soil rivers and streams.
While making Ethonol the Fosfate produced could be used to replace any
fertelizer lost in making ethonol.
The grass and leaves dumped into landfils already produce ethonol, we
dont use it, we just let it contaminate the underground water table or
dump it into the atmosphere..
Posted by Frank on March 15, 2009, 12:12 am
Leonard Abbott wrote:
> Ethonol is not used as fertelizer, the phosphate from decaying plant
> life is the chemical compond that fertelizes.
>
> the Grass and leaves will decay wheather we use the Ethonol or not.
> presently the ethonol in land fills is an inviromental problem, save the
> ecology and burn the ethonol for fuel.
>
> One of the problems with sewer plants, they deposit too much phosphate
> into the soil rivers and streams.
>
> While making Ethonol the Fosfate produced could be used to replace any
> fertelizer lost in making ethonol.
>
> The grass and leaves dumped into landfils already produce ethonol, we
> dont use it, we just let it contaminate the underground water table or
> dump it into the atmosphere..
>
No, methane:
http://www.epa.gov/lmop/
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/nyregion/nyregionspecial2/14Rmethane.html
Posted by harry on March 27, 2009, 8:04 pm
> (Fay )
> President Obama's biofuel and oil policy is on a collision course to a
> national catastrophe. Yet, the alarms are not sounding and the red
> lights are not flashing.
> At the subsidy of 51 per gallon, this amount of ethanol
> production costs taxpayers over $ Billion in 2008.
> The ethanol future looks much worse. The 'Energy Independence and
> Security Act of 2007' required maximum ethanol production of 2.35
> million barrels per day by 2022. But, this amount of ethanol
> production will require the entire corn crop in the US, every kernel of
> corn.
> ---------------------------------------------
> len=If leaves and grass cuttings were turned into ethanol from every
> city and small town America's energy crunch would be over,
> It would not cost the taxpayer a thin dime, because grass and leaves are
> presently a nuisance, and getting rid of them is presently expensive..
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Ever see a mulching mower? Ever stop to -think- that leaves and grass are
> the result of plants taking nutrients from the soil they grow in and
> changing decomposed rock into biomass? If every single leaf and blade of
> grass was removed from every square foot of lawn in America it wouldn't be
> long before the demand for oil based fertilizers went through the roof.
> Better to mulch those lawn wastes and use the oil for fuel that to fuck up a
> billion years of ecology and soil building by nature's way. Natural
> decomposition of leaves and grasses and dead dogs and cats.
> You eco freaks never let a bad idea stand in your way do you.
> --
> Don Thompson
> Stolen from Dan: "Just thinking, besides, I watched 2 dogs mating once,
> and that makes me an expert. "
> There is nothing more frightening than active ignorance.
> ~Goethe
> It is a worthy thing to fight for one's freedom;
> it is another sight finer to fight for another man's.
> ~Mark Twain
The energy available in grass etc does not come from the soil, it
comes from sunlight. The plant uses the sunlight +CO2 from the
atmosphere+ water to make hydro-carbon fuels. Ie the leaf & other
parts of the plant. Minute traces of nitrogen, potassium and
phosphorus are needed from the soil. These can be recycled from the
detrius from the ethanol plant
You are a worthy example of active ignorance.
Posted by Don T on March 27, 2009, 8:24 pm
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Ever see a mulching mower? Ever stop to -think- that leaves and grass
> are
> the result of plants taking nutrients from the soil they grow in and
> changing decomposed rock into biomass? If every single leaf and blade of
> grass was removed from every square foot of lawn in America it wouldn't be
> long before the demand for oil based fertilizers went through the roof.
> Better to mulch those lawn wastes and use the oil for fuel that to fuck up
> a
> billion years of ecology and soil building by nature's way. Natural
> decomposition of leaves and grasses and dead dogs and cats.
> You eco freaks never let a bad idea stand in your way do you.
> --
> Don Thompson
> Stolen from Dan: "Just thinking, besides, I watched 2 dogs mating once,
> and that makes me an expert. "
> There is nothing more frightening than active ignorance.
> ~Goethe
> It is a worthy thing to fight for one's freedom;
> it is another sight finer to fight for another man's.
> ~Mark Twain
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You are a worthy example of active ignorance.
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Coming from you that is most definitely a compliment. Now go back and tell
us all exactly which two -different- refrigerant gasses are -always- used
for freezers and refrigerators these days.
--
Don Thompson
Stolen from Dan: "Just thinking, besides, I watched 2 dogs mating once,
and that makes me an expert. "
There is nothing more frightening than active ignorance.
~Goethe
It is a worthy thing to fight for one's freedom;
it is another sight finer to fight for another man's.
~Mark Twain
Posted by harry on March 28, 2009, 9:17 pm
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Ever see a mulching mower? Ever stop to -think- that leaves and grass
> > are
> > the result of plants taking nutrients from the soil they grow in and
> > changing decomposed rock into biomass? If every single leaf and blade of
> > grass was removed from every square foot of lawn in America it wouldn't be
> > long before the demand for oil based fertilizers went through the roof.
> > Better to mulch those lawn wastes and use the oil for fuel that to fuck up
> > a
> > billion years of ecology and soil building by nature's way. Natural
> > decomposition of leaves and grasses and dead dogs and cats.
> > You eco freaks never let a bad idea stand in your way do you.
> > --
> > Don Thompson
> > Stolen from Dan: "Just thinking, besides, I watched 2 dogs mating once,
> > and that makes me an expert. "
> > There is nothing more frightening than active ignorance.
> > ~Goethe
> > It is a worthy thing to fight for one's freedom;
> > it is another sight finer to fight for another man's.
> > ~Mark Twain
> ``````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
> You are a worthy example of active ignorance.
> ``````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
> Coming from you that is most definitely a compliment. Now go back and tell
> us all exactly which two -different- refrigerant gasses are -always- used
> for freezers and refrigerators these days.
Well, if you haven't grasped it by now, there's no hope for you!
> --
> Don Thompson
> Stolen from Dan: "Just thinking, besides, I watched 2 dogs mating once,
> and that makes me an expert. "
> There is nothing more frightening than active ignorance.
> ~Goethe
> It is a worthy thing to fight for one's freedom;
> it is another sight finer to fight for another man's.
> ~Mark Twain
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> life is the chemical compond that fertelizes.
>
> the Grass and leaves will decay wheather we use the Ethonol or not.
> presently the ethonol in land fills is an inviromental problem, save the
> ecology and burn the ethonol for fuel.
>
> One of the problems with sewer plants, they deposit too much phosphate
> into the soil rivers and streams.
>
> While making Ethonol the Fosfate produced could be used to replace any
> fertelizer lost in making ethonol.
>
> The grass and leaves dumped into landfils already produce ethonol, we
> dont use it, we just let it contaminate the underground water table or
> dump it into the atmosphere..
>