Re: 100 MPG CARS

Posted by TheDoc on June 13, 2007, 6:11 pm

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  Felix Kramer is on a mission, one that carried him and his new plug-in
  Toyota Prius hybrid to the steps of Capitol Hill. There he and
  representatives of Electro Energy, which brought along their own =
plug-in
  Prius, showcased to some of Washington's most powerful politicians, =
from
  Orrin Hatch to Hilary Clinton, technology that can help make America
  less dependent on petroleum: cars that can get 100 mpg.
  The event -- organized by SetAmericaFree.Org -- was planned to =
coincide
  with an announced summit between the White House and Detroit's
  beleaguered carmakers. Although the meeting was postponed at the last
  minute by the Bush Administration until June 2nd, Kramer and company,
  along with auto industry chief executives, traveled to the U.S. =
capital
  to lobby lawmakers and testify before Congress.

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  I don't know of any cars that achive 100 MPG.. my jetta averages 50 =
mpg at 75-80 mph.. much better than
  a prius.. .. so what cars do 100 mpg ?

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  plug-in<BR>Prius, showcased to some of Washington's most powerful =
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Posted by Al G on June 13, 2007, 6:58 pm

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    Felix Kramer is on a mission, one that carried him and his new =
plug-in
    Toyota Prius hybrid to the steps of Capitol Hill. There he and
    representatives of Electro Energy, which brought along their own =
plug-in
    Prius, showcased to some of Washington's most powerful politicians, =
from
    Orrin Hatch to Hilary Clinton, technology that can help make America
    less dependent on petroleum: cars that can get 100 mpg.
    The event -- organized by SetAmericaFree.Org -- was planned to =
coincide
    with an announced summit between the White House and Detroit's
    beleaguered carmakers. Although the meeting was postponed at the =
last
    minute by the Bush Administration until June 2nd, Kramer and =
company,
    along with auto industry chief executives, traveled to the U.S. =
capital
    to lobby lawmakers and testify before Congress.

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    I don't know of any cars that achive 100 MPG.. my jetta averages 50 =
mpg at 75-80 mph.. much better than
    a prius.. .. so what cars do 100 mpg ?

    None of them.

    The usual way is to run your car off of electricity, talk about how =
many miles you can go on "gas", and then state you are not polluting.

    Al
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new
    plug-in<BR>Toyota Prius hybrid to the steps of Capitol Hill. There =
he
    and<BR>representatives of Electro Energy, which brought along their =
own
    plug-in<BR>Prius, showcased to some of Washington's most powerful
    politicians, from<BR>Orrin Hatch to Hilary Clinton, technology that =
can help
    make America<BR>less dependent on petroleum: cars that can get 100 =
mpg.
    <BR>The event -- organized by SetAmericaFree.Org -- was planned to
    coincide<BR>with an announced summit between the White House and
    Detroit's<BR>beleaguered carmakers. Although the meeting was =
postponed at
    the last<BR>minute by the Bush Administration until June 2nd, Kramer =
and
    company,<BR>along with auto industry chief executives, traveled to =
the U.S.
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achive 100 MPG..
    my jetta averages 50 mpg at 75-80 mph.. much better =
than</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>a prius.. .. so what cars do 100 =
mpg
    ?</FONT></DIV>
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electricity, talk
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    polluting.</FONT></DIV>
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Posted by BobG on June 13, 2007, 8:08 pm

You can get 100 mpg with a small low profile (small frontal surface
area) car about 1500 lbs, with good drag coefficient (down around .
25), and hard tires. How many KWhrs in a gallon of gas? About 33 I
think... so 100 miles per 33 KWhr is about .33KWhr per mile or less...
20 HP is about 15KW, should get you up to about 60 mph. After 1 hr,
you have gone 60 mi on 15KWhr.... about .25 KWhr per mi.... better
than whats needed, so you can go a little faster and still get 100 mpg.

Posted by Anthony Matonak on June 13, 2007, 8:10 pm

TheDoc wrote:

75-80 mph.. much better than

I think the 100 mpg plug-in Prius is based on fudging the figures
and not counting the electricity used to charge the battery bank
at home. Despite the hype, I think plug in hybrids are a good idea.
Even better when they can go the other way and provide power when
camping or during power failures.

That said, the VW 1 liter concept car got 238 mpg so it's possible.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_1-litre_car

Anthony

Posted by Neon John on June 14, 2007, 3:42 am

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 17:10:15 -0700, Anthony Matonak

75-80 mph.. much better than

Of course they are and it's not fudging, it's outright lying.

By their lying logic, my electric scooter gets thousands of miles to the gallon.
I
carry a little handheld gas generator in case I run down the batteries and
occasionally have to use it. If I burn a gallon of gas in that generator every
2000
miles then am I getting 2000mpg? Of course not, and saying otherwise is just
flat
lying.

For me, the jury's still out on plug-in hybrids.  I suspect that in the long run
few
people will bother with the day-to-day hassle of plugging the thing in. I predict
that it will be more of a gimmick than something useful.  I'm saying that as a
long-time EV driver and rider.

I think that the "power during a blackout" thing is pure hype.  While having a
source
of 120 volts is handy for things like running a microwave at the tailgate party
and
picnic, the concept of "powering the grid during blackouts with thousands of
idling
hybrids" is impractical at best and silly at worst.

This capability has existed for years - decades - in the form of the built-in
generators in RVs.  A few people, myself included, have realized that resource
and
have arranged to plug their houses into the genset during a blackout but nobody's
seriously suggested feeding the grid.

I just don't see the very very rare opportunity to use the ability to feed the
grid
as being worth the cost of the necessary hardware.  I could be wrong - won't be
the
first time - but I don't think so.

John
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