Posted by News on May 20, 2005, 8:47 am
> >
> >
> >> Wrong. All electrical power generation can be nuclear powered, the
> > cleanest,
> >> safest and most practical. Not to mention getting off of foreign oil.
> >> An electric car or truck that can get 300 miles on a charge as, li-ion
> >> battery cars
> >> can, is workable for the majority of commuters and travelers.
> >>>
> >> New ways to crack water and get the H2
> > >out of it plus the O will come on line as
> >> demand grows.
Are you prophesising?
> >> The thing with burning hydrogen in an internal combustion
> >> engine is horsepower. You get it all, power and
> >> clean emissions. Fuel cells with the small electrical
> >> output will limit size and power of vehicles.
> >
> > "All electrical power generation can be nuclear powered,"... You think
so,
> > huh? Don't expect any great upsurge in nuclear power. Waste disposal,
> > licensing issues, political opposition and risky financing will keep
> > nuclear
> > power off of the table for years to come, maybe forever. Secondly, even
> > if
> > nuclear power or any other new source like wind, solar, tides, etc.
become
> > prevelent, they will displace fossil electricity, but the energy will be
> > sold as electricity so battery vehicles may have a future.
> >
> > Nobody in his right mind would make hydrogen, or any other fuel out of
> > valuable electricity. It's a matter of simple economics. Electricity is
> > more
> > valuable than fuel and will always be so. If you have electricity, you
> > will
> > sell electricity, you'll never make a less valuable commodity out of
it.
> > As
> > Lancaster would say, " it's like turning dollars into pesos."
> >
> > What new ways are there to crack water? You still need the energy input
> > one
> > way or another. Even if you did get hydrogen economically and that is a
> > big
> > if, how are you going to transport it. What kind of tanks do you propose
> > in
> > this ICE car? Unfortunately hydrogen is very poor at storing energy. It
> > has
> > a very low of energy content per volume and requires expensive,
dangerous,
> > heavy tankage to transport. All of this will result in poor range and
high
> > prices which will never be accepted. Hydrogen is a scam. If you want to
> > bet
> > on something, bet on bio-diesel, not hydrogen.
> > Bob
> Negative, negative, negative! You people are against everything! We move
on
> inspite of you.
Nuclear is NOT moving on. Great savings can be had by introducing highly
efficient domestic appliances, have all homes passive solar, superinsulated,
better town planning so people don't need cars, PV cells are improving and
large scale manufacture will drops prices - the same with batteries for
homes and cars. Then there is microCHP (cogen). All technology that is
clean, easy to handle and here right now. Air can be cleaned further by
planting forests, etc.
We don't need or want nuclear or coal to generate electricity, as it is just
not necessary. Any government can sit down and pass some laws/regulations
quite quickly, and in five years time matters will be greatly improved all
around.
Posted by John P Bengi on May 20, 2005, 9:30 pm
We can't afford not to use nuclear and coal. Already people whine about the
price of electricity and blackouts. What happens when the wind stops blowing
and the sun doesn't shine and you already pay over $1 per kWh?
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >> Wrong. All electrical power generation can be nuclear powered, the
> > > cleanest,
> > >> safest and most practical. Not to mention getting off of foreign oil.
> > >> An electric car or truck that can get 300 miles on a charge as,
li-ion
> > >> battery cars
> > >> can, is workable for the majority of commuters and travelers.
> > >>>
> > >> New ways to crack water and get the H2
> > > >out of it plus the O will come on line as
> > >> demand grows.
> Are you prophesising?
> > >> The thing with burning hydrogen in an internal combustion
> > >> engine is horsepower. You get it all, power and
> > >> clean emissions. Fuel cells with the small electrical
> > >> output will limit size and power of vehicles.
> > >
> > > "All electrical power generation can be nuclear powered,"... You think
> so,
> > > huh? Don't expect any great upsurge in nuclear power. Waste disposal,
> > > licensing issues, political opposition and risky financing will keep
> > > nuclear
> > > power off of the table for years to come, maybe forever. Secondly,
even
> > > if
> > > nuclear power or any other new source like wind, solar, tides, etc.
> become
> > > prevelent, they will displace fossil electricity, but the energy will
be
> > > sold as electricity so battery vehicles may have a future.
> > >
> > > Nobody in his right mind would make hydrogen, or any other fuel out of
> > > valuable electricity. It's a matter of simple economics. Electricity
is
> > > more
> > > valuable than fuel and will always be so. If you have electricity, you
> > > will
> > > sell electricity, you'll never make a less valuable commodity out of
> it.
> > > As
> > > Lancaster would say, " it's like turning dollars into pesos."
> > >
> > > What new ways are there to crack water? You still need the energy
input
> > > one
> > > way or another. Even if you did get hydrogen economically and that is
a
> > > big
> > > if, how are you going to transport it. What kind of tanks do you
propose
> > > in
> > > this ICE car? Unfortunately hydrogen is very poor at storing energy.
It
> > > has
> > > a very low of energy content per volume and requires expensive,
> dangerous,
> > > heavy tankage to transport. All of this will result in poor range and
> high
> > > prices which will never be accepted. Hydrogen is a scam. If you want
to
> > > bet
> > > on something, bet on bio-diesel, not hydrogen.
> > > Bob
> > Negative, negative, negative! You people are against everything! We move
> on
> > inspite of you.
> Nuclear is NOT moving on. Great savings can be had by introducing highly
> efficient domestic appliances, have all homes passive solar,
superinsulated,
> better town planning so people don't need cars, PV cells are improving and
> large scale manufacture will drops prices - the same with batteries for
> homes and cars. Then there is microCHP (cogen). All technology that is
> clean, easy to handle and here right now. Air can be cleaned further by
> planting forests, etc.
> We don't need or want nuclear or coal to generate electricity, as it is
just
> not necessary. Any government can sit down and pass some laws/regulations
> quite quickly, and in five years time matters will be greatly improved all
> around.
Posted by News on May 22, 2005, 2:06 pm
> We can't afford not to use nuclear
> and coal. Already people whine about the
> price of electricity and blackouts.
WQe don't have them, and brownouts, where I live. Read whjat I wrot and
"understand" it::
"Great savings can be had by introducing highly efficient domestic
appliances, have all homes passive solar, superinsulated, better town
planning so people don't need cars, PV cells are improving and large scale
manufacture will drops prices - the same with batteries for homes and cars.
Then there is microCHP (cogen). All technology that is clean, easy to
handle and here right now. Air can be cleaned further by planting forests,
etc.
We don't need or want nuclear or coal to generate electricity, as it is
just not necessary. Any government can sit down and pass some
laws/regulations quite quickly, and in five years time matters will be
greatly improved all around."
Solar and wind work. You store energy, and have backup NG generators.
Posted by John P Bengi on May 22, 2005, 6:57 pm
We don't want all that battery waste in our part of the land.
Coal and oil can be made clean in large quantities but the US is too cheap
and inconsiderate to do it. Nuclear is much cleaner and less people die
installing it.
Read what I wrote and answer the question.
> > We can't afford not to use nuclear
> > and coal. Already people whine about the
> > price of electricity and blackouts.
> WQe don't have them, and brownouts, where I live. Read whjat I wrot and
> "understand" it::
> "Great savings can be had by introducing highly efficient domestic
> appliances, have all homes passive solar, superinsulated, better town
> planning so people don't need cars, PV cells are improving and large scale
> manufacture will drops prices - the same with batteries for homes and
cars.
> Then there is microCHP (cogen). All technology that is clean, easy to
> handle and here right now. Air can be cleaned further by planting
forests,
> etc.
> We don't need or want nuclear or coal to generate electricity, as it is
> just not necessary. Any government can sit down and pass some
> laws/regulations quite quickly, and in five years time matters will be
> greatly improved all around."
> Solar and wind work. You store energy, and have backup NG generators.
Posted by News on May 22, 2005, 7:19 pm
> We don't want all that battery waste in our part of the land.
New batteries are made of plastic - polymer.
> Coal and oil can be made clean in large
> quantities but the US is too cheap
> and inconsiderate to do it. Nuclear is
> much cleaner and less people die
> installing it.
Nuclear is cleaner? You don't really know do you.
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> >
> >> Wrong. All electrical power generation can be nuclear powered, the
> > cleanest,
> >> safest and most practical. Not to mention getting off of foreign oil.
> >> An electric car or truck that can get 300 miles on a charge as, li-ion
> >> battery cars
> >> can, is workable for the majority of commuters and travelers.
> >>>
> >> New ways to crack water and get the H2
> > >out of it plus the O will come on line as
> >> demand grows.