Posted by Arnold Walker on May 24, 2005, 5:18 pm
> >
> >
> > News wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>Oh yeah bio diesel.... That is a whole world concept is it. How much
> > >
> > > energy
> > >
> > >>do you really think that will provide?. Freeze your ass off in Alaska
or
> > >>Canada or Greenland and you will have an appreciation of
energy....sorry
> > >>honey the wheat is frozen over...sorry staring people in Africa we
need
> > >
> > > all
> > >
> > >>the wheat or corn so I can power my VW.
> > >
> > >
> > > To keep the USA in bio-fuel to all power plants, homes and vehicles,
> would
> > > take approx 100 miles by 100 miles of land. That is nothing in the
USA,
> and
> > > it can be in all areas and climates, so the terrorists can't wipe it
all
> out
> > > at once.
> > >
> > > The UK pays farmers to keep fields idle. I can think of planting rape
> and
> > > forests on that land, instead of wasting money.
> >
> > Bullshit, this has been disproven time after time here on this NG. If
> > you took every inch of ground and used it for only biofuel production it
> > wouldn't come close to meeting even transportation needs.
> "335,080 square miles times 640 acres / square mile means we only need
> 214,451,007 acres to supply our biofuel needs in the US. "
Great point for nuke cars,since very few folks work on their own cars.
Technicains would do the high tech work of fuel and repair on the car.
And it don't take as much land,in the US at least. Austrailia maybe but not
the US.
And we start fixing instead stockpile nuke waste as well.
And if it is fusion ,a workable hydrogen system to boot.
> http://tinyurl.com/8u6wc
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Posted by Mike Wilcox on May 24, 2005, 7:19 pm
News wrote:
>
>>
>>News wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Oh yeah bio diesel.... That is a whole world concept is it. How much
>>>
>>>energy
>>>
>>>
>>>>do you really think that will provide?. Freeze your ass off in Alaska or
>>>>Canada or Greenland and you will have an appreciation of energy....sorry
>>>>honey the wheat is frozen over...sorry staring people in Africa we need
>>>
>>>all
>>>
>>>
>>>>the wheat or corn so I can power my VW.
>>>
>>>
>>>To keep the USA in bio-fuel to all power plants, homes and vehicles,
>
> would
>
>>>take approx 100 miles by 100 miles of land. That is nothing in the USA,
>
> and
>
>>>it can be in all areas and climates, so the terrorists can't wipe it all
>
> out
>
>>>at once.
>>>
>>>The UK pays farmers to keep fields idle. I can think of planting rape
>
> and
>
>>>forests on that land, instead of wasting money.
>>
>>Bullshit, this has been disproven time after time here on this NG. If
>>you took every inch of ground and used it for only biofuel production it
>>wouldn't come close to meeting even transportation needs.
>
>
> "335,080 square miles times 640 acres / square mile means we only need
> 214,451,007 acres to supply our biofuel needs in the US. "
>
> http://tinyurl.com/8u6wc
>
>
>
Thats been covered before as well. Only 19% of the USA is arable farm
land, you can't use total land mass to show realistic crop production,
plus not all of it is going to produce palm oil, you be lucky to get an
average of one barrel an acre ( 55 gallons, soybeans)
Posted by News on May 20, 2005, 8:35 am
> > You're arguing with the technically ignorant..
> > I've agree with you and have been asking that very same questions that I
> > have for some time know.
> > The media inspired mass assumption is that hydrogen fuel will be the
> > energy
> > savior we have all been looking for; because (they say) that you can
> > simply
> > split water in to hydrogen/oxygen and that the only combustion
by-product
> > is
> > water again.
> > Hydrogen is fairly simple to manufacture, but the input of energy
required
> > far exceeds the return you would get. Mainly due to the mechanical and
> > thermal energy losses inherent in the present internal combustion engine
> > designs. Use of hydrogen fuel-cells to run electric motors has far
greater
> > efficiencies.
> > However, the problem still remains, as you stated, the energy needed for
> > the
> > hydrogen production has to come from somewhere. It is not just simply
> > plugging in your hydrogen generator into the wall socket. (that
electrical
> > energy has to be generated somehow also)
> > This is the same problem with all-electric vehicles. Most people think,
> > "great, all I would do is plug it in to recharge, and run around
emission
> > free, right?
> > Wrong... all the electrical energy needed to charge your "clean"
electric
> > or
> > hydrogen powered vehicle is likely coming from a far dirtier, coal or
gas
> > burning generating station.
> Wrong. All electrical power generation can be nuclear powered, the
cleanest,
> safest and most practical.
Safest? You are having a laugh of course. What about the waste? A
wonderful legacy for our future off-springs.
Posted by Vaughn on May 20, 2005, 9:13 pm
> Safest? You are having a laugh of course. What about the waste? A
> wonderful legacy for our future off-springs.
What about the waste from the coal, oil & NG-generated electricity you are
using right now? You are breathing it! ...and your children will be breathing
it. More and more children are getting asthma every decade; why do you suppose
that is? I would rather have a few hundred tons of nuclear waste stashed under
a mountain or sealed up under miles of ocean water where it won't bother anybody
than being forced to breathe that crap.
And then there is global warming...
Give me nuclear any day.
Vaughn
>
Posted by John P Bengi on May 20, 2005, 9:32 pm
Dairy and gluten consumption.
Give me nuclear anyday also. It is the cheapest,safest, safest to install
and produces the least waste.
> More and more children are getting asthma every decade; why do you
suppose
> that is?
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> > News wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>Oh yeah bio diesel.... That is a whole world concept is it. How much
> > >
> > > energy
> > >
> > >>do you really think that will provide?. Freeze your ass off in Alaska
or
> > >>Canada or Greenland and you will have an appreciation of