Posted by daestrom on August 13, 2008, 9:29 pm
Leonard Abbott wrote:
>> Hydrogen boost will work!
>>
>>
>> I believe Hydrogen added to your Gas will work, and building a
>> hydrogen boosters should not be that complicated,
>>
'Belief' can be a wonderful thing. But it doesn't affect reality.
>> Oil refineries have added butane to your gas for decades, to make
>> your car start better in cold climates.
>>
Non-sequitor. Because refineries add something to fuel for different
weather doesn't mean adding H2 will boost mileage more than it takes to
produce H2.
>>
>> Gases added to your tank do not evaporate as rapidly as fast as you
>> may think. the gas cap prevents the gas from evaporating,
>>
Another non-sequitor as far as I can tell. These H2 boost ideas generate H2
on the spot, they don't store it in the gas tank.
>> If you add 10% hydrogen, the hydrogen possibly could give you 50%
>> better MPG.
Do you have any reason to think such a small addition of H2 would give you
such a tremendous boost in mileage? Any data that suggests this is even
remotely possible?
>>
>> That means if your car gets 30 mpg it could be increased to 60 mpg.
Uh, if you get 30 miles on a gallon of gas and you boost mpg by 50%, that
would mean you get 45 miles on a gallon wouldn't it? Not 60.
>> that would end the fuel crises, by forcing Gas prices back below
>> $2.00 a gallon..
>>
>> The fuel injectors on most cars operate at 30 psi, If evaporation
>> presents a problem, then pressurize your fuel to 30 psi. this will
>> prevent the fuel pump form being over worked..
>>
>> Other simple changes possibly could be necessary, such as changing
>> the ignition timing..
>>
>> Hydrogen is not that expensive, it was used for welding for many yrs,
>> before electric welders were invented.
I think you're thinking of acetylene. That was (and still is) used for
metalworking along with pure O2 (oxy-acetylene torch).
Today's H2 is 'not that expensive' because industrial quantities are created
by using fossil fuels. You'd be trading an oil crisis for a natural gas
crisis (which we seem to be headed for anyway).
daestrom
Posted by BobG on August 14, 2008, 2:55 pm
Are the bubbles coming off the electrolizer H2 and O2, or H2 only? Is
"Brown's Gas" loose H2 and O2? What's it take to ignite this stuff?
Posted by Eeyore on August 15, 2008, 12:53 am
BobG wrote:
> Are the bubbles coming off the electrolizer H2 and O2, or H2 only? Is
> "Brown's Gas" loose H2 and O2? What's it take to ignite this stuff?
Bad luck will do it. *BOOM* !
Graham
Posted by Eeyore on August 19, 2008, 2:14 am
Leonard Abbott wrote:
> Do you have any reason to think such a small addition of H2 would give
> you such a tremendous boost in mileage? Any data that suggests this is
> even remotely possible?
> ---------------------------------------------------
> There are already chemicals that when added to your fuel increases
> mileage by making gasoline burn more effectively, Ethos I believe is
> the
> name of one product..
Never heard of it. Sounds like a scam.
The best way to increase efficiency is beter design like GDI. Just
getting rid of the throttle plate (like in a diesel) improves
efficiency.
Graham
Posted by daestrom on August 20, 2008, 5:33 pm
Leonard Abbott wrote:
>> Do you have any reason to think such a small addition of H2 would
>> give you such a tremendous boost in mileage? Any data that suggests
>> this is even remotely possible?
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>> There are already chemicals that when added to your fuel increases
>> mileage by making gasoline burn more effectively, Ethos I believe is
>> the name of one product..
>>
>> Just a little Ethose is supposed to increase mpg by 30%.H2 could do
>> the same thing.
>>
Nope. This discussion...
http://www.fuelsaving.info/ethos.htm
Shows that 'Ethos' was originally patented for reducing smoke from diesel
engines. And that some over-the-road uncontrolled tests on *diesel* engines
report some improvement. The one gas engine had a very modest 5%
improvement that can't even be verified.
The article makes some good points about 'testimonials' and "famous users"
that are often claimed, but no hard *evidence*.
And none of them approach your 30% numbers. And considering that 'Ethos'
supposedly improves performance by 'lubrication' (something H2 doesn't do)
and 'cleaning' (something H2 is not likely to do),
Again, "Do you have any reason to think such a small addition of H2 would
give you such a remendous boost in mileage?"
No, I thought not.
daestrom
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>> I believe Hydrogen added to your Gas will work, and building a
>> hydrogen boosters should not be that complicated,
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