Posted by Eeyore on December 27, 2008, 10:35 pm
Daily Planet Media wrote:
> Countries in and near the Arctic region predict that the North Pole
> will have an ice-free summer within six years.
That would be a strange thing to happen in view of the FALLING
temperatures predicted to continue until at least 2015 !
Lower temps = ice melting ? Don't think so ! Read up some science.
Graham
Posted by Tim Jackson on December 28, 2008, 7:24 am
Eeyore wrote:
>
> Daily Planet Media wrote:
>
>> Countries in and near the Arctic region predict that the North Pole
>> will have an ice-free summer within six years.
>
> That would be a strange thing to happen in view of the FALLING
> temperatures predicted to continue until at least 2015 !
>
> Lower temps = ice melting ? Don't think so ! Read up some science.
>
> Graham
>
Maybe one of those assumptions is wrong. Most of the science I read
talks about rising (eg ocean) temperatures and thinning of the Arctic
ice. For example
www.newscientist.com/article/dn16307-arctic-melt-20-years-ahead-of-climate-models.html
Can you cite a reference to a prediction of falling temperatures until
2015, that relates to Arctic conditions?
Or are you just trolling?
Tim Jackson
Posted by Eeyore on December 28, 2008, 2:46 pm
David Williams wrote:
> -> Daily Planet Media wrote:
> -> > Countries in and near the Arctic region predict that the North Pole
> -> > will have an ice-free summer within six years.
> -> That would be a strange thing to happen in view of the FALLING
> -> temperatures predicted to continue until at least 2015 !
> -> Lower temps = ice melting ? Don't think so ! Read up some science.
> -> Graham
> But, in reality, the arctic ice *is* melting. So, at least there,
> temperatures are *rising*.
No, the arctic ice isn't melting.It may have been a while back but now it's
growing. Nature isn't static.
Graham
Posted by Tim Jackson on December 28, 2008, 10:29 pm
Eeyore wrote:
>
> David Williams wrote:
>
>> -> Daily Planet Media wrote:
>>
>> -> > Countries in and near the Arctic region predict that the North Pole
>> -> > will have an ice-free summer within six years.
>>
>> -> That would be a strange thing to happen in view of the FALLING
>> -> temperatures predicted to continue until at least 2015 !
>>
>> -> Lower temps = ice melting ? Don't think so ! Read up some science.
>>
>> -> Graham
>>
>> But, in reality, the arctic ice *is* melting. So, at least there,
>> temperatures are *rising*.
>
> No, the arctic ice isn't melting.It may have been a while back but now it's
> growing. Nature isn't static.
>
> Graham
>
Well of course the ice coverage is increasing right now, it's winter. A
while back it was summer. But year on year the summer minimum coverage
has been reducing (and last summer was a record low) and the winter
thickness of ice is reducing too.
Tim Jackson
Posted by Eeyore on December 29, 2008, 7:43 pm
Tim Jackson wrote:
> Eeyore wrote:
> > David Williams wrote:
> >> -> Daily Planet Media wrote:
> >>
> >> -> > Countries in and near the Arctic region predict that the North Pole
> >> -> > will have an ice-free summer within six years.
> >>
> >> -> That would be a strange thing to happen in view of the FALLING
> >> -> temperatures predicted to continue until at least 2015 !
> >>
> >> -> Lower temps = ice melting ? Don't think so ! Read up some science.
> >>
> >> -> Graham
> >>
> >> But, in reality, the arctic ice *is* melting. So, at least there,
> >> temperatures are *rising*.
> >
> > No, the arctic ice isn't melting.It may have been a while back but now it's
> > growing. Nature isn't static.
> Well of course the ice coverage is increasing right now, it's winter. A
> while back it was summer. But year on year the summer minimum coverage
> has been reducing (and last summer was a record low) and the winter
> thickness of ice is reducing too.
The long-term trend is changing too. Just wait and see. The data can't be forged
unless your name's Hansen.
Graham
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> will have an ice-free summer within six years.