Posted by Mike on August 22, 2007, 9:19 am
> SNIP <
> The only way to overcome such ignorance is to learn what you are
> doing. The best way to learn what you are doing is to do the design
> work for yourself.
> SNIP <
> Now I can send you a spread sheet that will produce a correct system
> sizing as long as you use the correct numbers for your needs.
Well if I use your SS then I'm not learning for myself am I.
> Go to <http://www.green-trust.org/> and download the system sizing
> spread sheet there. I'm sorry, but it is a real pig of a spread sheet
> to use, still it is pretty much the correct formula for the job.
And again, how do I know that their SS is worth a shit?
I'd take your word on it but you aren't even consistent in your logic.
Posted by bealiba on August 22, 2007, 9:47 am
> > SNIP <
> > The only way to overcome such ignorance is to learn what you are
> > doing. The best way to learn what you are doing is to do the design
> > work for yourself.
> > SNIP <
> > Now I can send you a spread sheet that will produce a correct system
> > sizing as long as you use the correct numbers for your needs.
> Well if I use your SS then I'm not learning for myself am I.
Ah, You see you have learned something already. The SS is just a
formula.
You would need to learn to use it correctly. When you learn to use it
you will have learned the relationship between each aspect of system
sizing. Then you will have to learn about the equipment required to
supply that sizing.
You will also learn the difference between a shopping list and system
design.
You will also learn what people are actually saying when they make
claims about their system.
> > Go to <http://www.green-trust.org/> and download the system sizing
> > spread sheet there. I'm sorry, but it is a real pig of a spread sheet
> > to use, still it is pretty much the correct formula for the job.
> And again, how do I know that their SS is worth a shit?
Well, it is basically the correct formula, but as I said it is a pig
of a thing to use when it could have fit on a single page.
The fortune of the man who sits, also sits
> I'd take your word on it but you aren't even consistent in your logic.
I'm not asking you to take my word for anything. I have in fact asked
that you question even my numbers. They can be found in the thread
"Off Grid Cabin"
If you feel that you need further information you have only to ask and
I would be glad to try and supply it.
You shouldn't be afraid to try new things. And it, of course, would
cost you nothing to find out.
The thing about numbers is that you can lie about the numbers, but the
numbers will not lie.
If someone tries to feed you bullshit numbers it will show up in the
formula as bullshit.
Posted by wmbjkREMOVE on August 22, 2007, 11:15 am
wrote:
>> SNIP <
>>
>> The only way to overcome such ignorance is to learn what you are
>> doing. The best way to learn what you are doing is to do the design
>> work for yourself.
>> SNIP <
>> Now I can send you a spread sheet that will produce a correct system
>> sizing as long as you use the correct numbers for your needs.
>>
>Well if I use your SS then I'm not learning for myself am I.
Depends. If you already understand the underlying logic, or don't care
to learn it, then a spreadsheet can save time. The downside is that it
invites GIGO, as George himself has demonstrated here so many times.
Why he thinks anyone might want a spreadsheet from the guy who holds
the record for posting the most blunders, is the great unanswered
question. See http://www.citlink.net/~wmbjk/tbfduwisdumb.htm
>> Go to <http://www.green-trust.org/> and download the system sizing
>> spread sheet there. I'm sorry, but it is a real pig of a spread sheet
>> to use, still it is pretty much the correct formula for the job.
> And again, how do I know that their SS is worth a shit?
It's pretty typical, and perfectly safe to use.
>I'd take your word on it but you aren't even consistent in your logic.
You're too kind. :-)
Wayne
Posted by Solar Flare on August 22, 2007, 11:21 am
You would think on a solar newsgroup this idiot could at least try to
stay away from the personal slams for, at least, one post.
> On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:19:42 -0500, "Mike"
> wrote:
> Depends. If you already understand the underlying logic, or don't
> care
> to learn it, then a spreadsheet can save time. The downside is that
> it
> invites GIGO, as George himself has demonstrated here so many times.
> Why he thinks anyone might want a spreadsheet from the guy who holds
> the record for posting the most blunders, is the great unanswered
> question. See http://www.citlink.net/~wmbjk/tbfduwisdumb.htm
>>> Go to <http://www.green-trust.org/> and download the system
>>> sizing
>>> spread sheet there. I'm sorry, but it is a real pig of a spread
>>> sheet
>>> to use, still it is pretty much the correct formula for the job.
>>
>> And again, how do I know that their SS is worth a shit?
> It's pretty typical, and perfectly safe to use.
>>I'd take your word on it but you aren't even consistent in your
>>logic.
> You're too kind. :-)
> Wayne
Posted by Steve Spence on August 22, 2007, 4:44 pm
> On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 05:51:17 -0000, bealiba@gmail.com wrote:
>>, so, this is my
>>advice;
>>
>>Go to http://www.green-trust.org/2003/pvsizing/default.htm and
>>download the system sizing
>>spread sheet there. I'm sorry, but it is a real pig of a spread sheet
>>to use, still it is pretty much the correct formula for the job. After
>>all, Steve has gone to great lengths to make me out as giving bad
>>advice and tell you that my spread sheet is no good while at the same
>>time offers what is the same formula on his site.
>>
>>As a nice little test to get you started you can apply this SS to the
>>off grid cabin design offered on the same site. See if it balances.
>>Hell, see if you can find the numbers.
>>
>>Then go wild, check everybody's claims, and that includes mine.
Wayne, Did george actually claim I said his spreadsheet was bad? I've never
seen his spreadsheet. And now he's actually claiming my formula is correct,
after all those years of saying it was wrong? wow ....
--
Steve Spence
Director, Green-Trust
http://www.green-trust.org
http://www.green-trust.org/bookshop/
> The only way to overcome such ignorance is to learn what you are
> doing. The best way to learn what you are doing is to do the design
> work for yourself.
> SNIP <
> Now I can send you a spread sheet that will produce a correct system
> sizing as long as you use the correct numbers for your needs.