Posted by Ken Maltby on November 16, 2008, 1:25 pm
>-> > Here are the numbers: The total amount of nitrogen trifluoride in the
> -> > atmosphere is about 5400 metric tons which corresponds to 9.2 x exp
> -> > (+7) "CO2 greenhouse units". Compared to the 5.14 x exp (+15) metric
> -> > tons of CO2 in the atmosphere, the contribution of nitrogen
> -> > trifluoride is only about 0.00005 % of the CO2 greenhouse effect.
> -> > Data were taken from Wikipedia.
> -> And both are small compared to the MAJOR greenhouse gas H2O ;)
> But H2O vapour is in equilibrium with solid and liquid water on the
> surface. Atmospheric CO2 is not in equilibrium. NF3 is currently
> negligible.
> -> Free men own guns
> Responsible men don't.
> dow
It is the responsible free men who own guns, you
have just given up that responsibility (to protect
yourself and your family, your community and country)
to others whom you have hired. That is unless you
live where you are a subject of a sovereign government
and you only have the rights that the government allows
you. Much like the sheep on a farm. You have the
government providing for you and you only get fleesed
once a year to pay for it. The farmer/goverment keeps
the wolves/criminals away through the threat of deadly
force.
If the criminals are few and the fleesing not too onerious,
you think you have made a good deal. You may have,
just as the sheep has it better than any unkept creature, but
you aren't "responsible" sheep or men.
Luck;
Ken
Posted by Frank on November 16, 2008, 5:21 pm
Ken Maltby wrote:
>> -> > Here are the numbers: The total amount of nitrogen trifluoride in the
>> -> > atmosphere is about 5400 metric tons which corresponds to 9.2 x exp
>> -> > (+7) "CO2 greenhouse units". Compared to the 5.14 x exp (+15) metric
>> -> > tons of CO2 in the atmosphere, the contribution of nitrogen
>> -> > trifluoride is only about 0.00005 % of the CO2 greenhouse effect.
>> -> > Data were taken from Wikipedia.
>>
>> -> And both are small compared to the MAJOR greenhouse gas H2O ;)
>>
>> But H2O vapour is in equilibrium with solid and liquid water on the
>> surface. Atmospheric CO2 is not in equilibrium. NF3 is currently
>> negligible.
>>
>> -> Free men own guns
>>
>> Responsible men don't.
>>
>> dow
>
> It is the responsible free men who own guns, you
> have just given up that responsibility (to protect
> yourself and your family, your community and country)
> to others whom you have hired. That is unless you
> live where you are a subject of a sovereign government
> and you only have the rights that the government allows
> you. Much like the sheep on a farm. You have the
> government providing for you and you only get fleesed
> once a year to pay for it. The farmer/goverment keeps
> the wolves/criminals away through the threat of deadly
> force.
>
> If the criminals are few and the fleesing not too onerious,
> you think you have made a good deal. You may have,
> just as the sheep has it better than any unkept creature, but
> you aren't "responsible" sheep or men.
>
> Luck;
> Ken
>
>
This from a retired state police captain just this am:
Once upon a time, there was a young charismatic and eloquent young
leader who decided his Nation needed a change and that he was the one
to implement it. The people were receptive and ready for a change.
He spoke passionately when denouncing the existing system and the media
loved him. Nobody questioned what he believed in or who his friends
were. He would help the poor and bring free medical care and education
to all. He would bring justice and equality. He said: I am for hope and
change and I will bring you both.
Nobody bothered to ask about the change, so by the time the
executioners' guns went silent; all personal firearms had been confiscated.
When everyone was finally equal, they were equally poor, hungry and
miserable. Their free education was worthless. When the change was fully
implemented, the country had been reduced to a Third World status. More
than a million people fled in small boats and rafts.
The charismatic young leader was Fidel Castro; the nation, Cuba .
The citizens of the United States would never fall for a charismatic,
eloquent young leader who promises hope and change without asking, 'What
change, and how much will it cost us? Would we?
Posted by Don T on November 16, 2008, 6:46 pm
>-> It is the responsible free men who own guns,
> In cloud-cuckoo land, maybe. And they drive around in air cars. In the
> real world, criminals carry guns.
> dow
Then every cop is a criminal and all the sinners saints eh. Some world you
live in dude.
--
Don Thompson
Stolen from Dan: "Just thinking, besides, I watched 2 dogs mating once,
and that makes me an expert. "
There is nothing more frightening than active ignorance.
~Goethe
It is a worthy thing to fight for one's freedom;
it is another sight finer to fight for another man's.
~Mark Twain
Posted by Don T on November 16, 2008, 11:26 pm
>-> > In cloud-cuckoo land, maybe. And they drive around in air cars. In the
> -> > real world, criminals carry guns.
> -> >
> -> > dow
> -> Then every cop is a criminal and all the sinners saints eh. Some world
> you
> -> live in dude.
> -> --
> -> Don Thompson
> Not every cop. I was brought up in England, where cops were not armed.
> I still think that's the way it should be,
> But face it, some cops *are* criminals.
> I don't see your logic about sinners and saints.
> dow
Rolling Stones dude. Or are you so young you don't have a 50 year memory
backup that tells you when folks are blowing smoke out their ears? There are
more armed cops in England nowdays. Ever since the Queen Mum decided to
disarm all her subjects the bobbies found out the hard way that an armed
policeman is more often than not home for dinner. Where I live there are
concealed carry laws and the citizenry is armed. Since the concealed carry
law went into effect the whole crowd has become more polite. Even the
police.
--
Don Thompson
Stolen from Dan: "Just thinking, besides, I watched 2 dogs mating once,
and that makes me an expert. "
There is nothing more frightening than active ignorance.
~Goethe
It is a worthy thing to fight for one's freedom;
it is another sight finer to fight for another man's.
~Mark Twain
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> -> > atmosphere is about 5400 metric tons which corresponds to 9.2 x exp
> -> > (+7) "CO2 greenhouse units". Compared to the 5.14 x exp (+15) metric
> -> > tons of CO2 in the atmosphere, the contribution of nitrogen
> -> > trifluoride is only about 0.00005 % of the CO2 greenhouse effect.
> -> > Data were taken from Wikipedia.
> -> And both are small compared to the MAJOR greenhouse gas H2O ;)
> But H2O vapour is in equilibrium with solid and liquid water on the
> surface. Atmospheric CO2 is not in equilibrium. NF3 is currently
> negligible.
> -> Free men own guns
> Responsible men don't.
> dow