Posted by z on July 21, 2007, 3:13 pm
> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:34:04 -0400, Just A User
>
>>Anthony Matonak wrote:
>>> David Williams wrote:
>>>> -> Sign this petition to bring the electric car, which they are
>>>> keeping -> from us, back to the retail market. Who are "they", and
>>>> what makes you think they will be influenced by a petition?
>>>
>>> The petition page clearly says General Motors specifically and all
auto
>>> makers in general. You have to give up your email address to "sign"
so
>>> I suspect there are evil spammers behind it who don't care about the
>>> topic.
>>>
>>> The truth to the matter is that both lightweight high energy density
>>> batteries and carbon fiber are still too expensive to make affordable
>>> electric cars. Progress is being made on both fronts but not
overnight.
>>>
>>> Anthony
>>Well what was the name of the Chevy / GM electric car from the 90's?
>>They can make them, but the main problems lie in battery capacity and
>>charging rate. The last things I remember reading about the state of
>>both seemed to say that the range per charge is about 200 to 250 miles
>>and it took 6 to 8 HOURS to charge. Clearly 200 miles is more than MOST
>>people drive in one day, but for some people who need more range per
day
>> the range per charge and or the charge rate would need to be
improved.
>
> After what I know the electric cars that were offered like EV1, Rav4,
> that pickup thing etc. was exelent cars. For MOST people the range of
> 200-250 miles is more than adequate.
>
> Quick charge stations would have emerged if the market was there.
>
> The main problem was the price. The cars was heavily subsidized.
>
> At the moment, you can get a Smart car (two seater) for about USD
> 35.000 this is with a realy crappy dollar rate offcource, but still...
>
Screw GM a friend of my brothers just got a job here:
http://www.teslamotors.com
says 200 mile range, 0 to 60 in 4 seconds
I guess they'll sell for 100k a pop, but still.. sound like a blast to
drive:
http://www.slate.com/id/2154425/
Posted by Trygve Lillefosse on July 22, 2007, 1:58 pm
>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:34:04 -0400, Just A User
>>
>>>Anthony Matonak wrote:
>>>> David Williams wrote:
>>>>> -> Sign this petition to bring the electric car, which they are
>>>>> keeping -> from us, back to the retail market. Who are "they", and
>>>>> what makes you think they will be influenced by a petition?
>>>>
>>>> The petition page clearly says General Motors specifically and all
>auto
>>>> makers in general. You have to give up your email address to "sign"
>so
>>>> I suspect there are evil spammers behind it who don't care about the
>>>> topic.
>>>>
>>>> The truth to the matter is that both lightweight high energy density
>>>> batteries and carbon fiber are still too expensive to make affordable
>>>> electric cars. Progress is being made on both fronts but not
>overnight.
>>>>
>>>> Anthony
>>>Well what was the name of the Chevy / GM electric car from the 90's?
>>>They can make them, but the main problems lie in battery capacity and
>>>charging rate. The last things I remember reading about the state of
>>>both seemed to say that the range per charge is about 200 to 250 miles
>>>and it took 6 to 8 HOURS to charge. Clearly 200 miles is more than MOST
>>>people drive in one day, but for some people who need more range per
>day
>>> the range per charge and or the charge rate would need to be
>improved.
>>
>> After what I know the electric cars that were offered like EV1, Rav4,
>> that pickup thing etc. was exelent cars. For MOST people the range of
>> 200-250 miles is more than adequate.
>>
>> Quick charge stations would have emerged if the market was there.
>>
>> The main problem was the price. The cars was heavily subsidized.
>>
>> At the moment, you can get a Smart car (two seater) for about USD
>> 35.000 this is with a realy crappy dollar rate offcource, but still...
>>
>Screw GM a friend of my brothers just got a job here:
>http://www.teslamotors.com
>says 200 mile range, 0 to 60 in 4 seconds
>I guess they'll sell for 100k a pop, but still.. sound like a blast to
>drive:
>http://www.slate.com/id/2154425/
Sounds like a bargain, at least in Norway ehere it will be tax-free. A
similar car with gasoline would be 300K
But then again, when will it be sold?
The ENV bike was launched over two years ago, but still noboedy can
buy it.
--
SEE YA !!!
Trygve Lillefosse
AKA - Malawi, The Fisher King
Posted by z on July 22, 2007, 2:16 pm
>
>>
>>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:34:04 -0400, Just A User
>>>
>>>>Anthony Matonak wrote:
>>>>> David Williams wrote:
>>>>>> -> Sign this petition to bring the electric car, which they are
>>>>>> keeping -> from us, back to the retail market. Who are "they",
>>>>>> and what makes you think they will be influenced by a petition?
>>>>>
>>>>> The petition page clearly says General Motors specifically and all
>>auto
>>>>> makers in general. You have to give up your email address to
>>>>> "sign"
>>so
>>>>> I suspect there are evil spammers behind it who don't care about
>>>>> the topic.
>>>>>
>>>>> The truth to the matter is that both lightweight high energy
>>>>> density batteries and carbon fiber are still too expensive to make
>>>>> affordable electric cars. Progress is being made on both fronts
>>>>> but not
>>overnight.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anthony
>>>>Well what was the name of the Chevy / GM electric car from the 90's?
>>>>They can make them, but the main problems lie in battery capacity
>>>>and charging rate. The last things I remember reading about the
>>>>state of both seemed to say that the range per charge is about 200
>>>>to 250 miles and it took 6 to 8 HOURS to charge. Clearly 200 miles
>>>>is more than MOST people drive in one day, but for some people who
>>>>need more range per
>>day
>>>> the range per charge and or the charge rate would need to be
>>improved.
>>>
>>> After what I know the electric cars that were offered like EV1,
>>> Rav4, that pickup thing etc. was exelent cars. For MOST people the
>>> range of 200-250 miles is more than adequate.
>>>
>>> Quick charge stations would have emerged if the market was there.
>>>
>>> The main problem was the price. The cars was heavily subsidized.
>>>
>>> At the moment, you can get a Smart car (two seater) for about USD
>>> 35.000 this is with a realy crappy dollar rate offcource, but
>>> still...
>>>
>>
>>Screw GM a friend of my brothers just got a job here:
>>
>>http://www.teslamotors.com
>>
>>says 200 mile range, 0 to 60 in 4 seconds
>>
>>I guess they'll sell for 100k a pop, but still.. sound like a blast to
>>drive:
>>
>>http://www.slate.com/id/2154425/
>
> Sounds like a bargain, at least in Norway ehere it will be tax-free. A
> similar car with gasoline would be 300K
>
> But then again, when will it be sold?
>
> The ENV bike was launched over two years ago, but still noboedy can
> buy it.
>
I guess they are taking orders now and due to ship in 08.
from the web site:
$50,000 reservation payment
I would like the next available Tesla roadster slot. Current delivery
estimate is July 2008.
or
$30,000 reservation payment
I understand that premium buyers will be placed ahead of me on the list.
Current delivery estimate is on or before the fourth quarter of 2008.
Just pretending I was going to buy one I went for
Two-tone premium interior, $1,800
Seven-speaker premium sound system tuned for Tesla Roadster cockpit,
$800
Tesla Motors custom floor mats, $125
Mobile charging system, $500
in british racing green for total: $102,175
Heck the way the dollar is that is quite a good price for folk in Europe
no? I guess shipping would be expensive
Get one man!
Posted by Trygve Lillefosse on July 23, 2007, 2:19 pm
>Just pretending I was going to buy one I went for
> Two-tone premium interior, $1,800
> Seven-speaker premium sound system tuned for Tesla Roadster cockpit,
>$800
> Tesla Motors custom floor mats, $125
> Mobile charging system, $500
>in british racing green for total: $102,175
>Heck the way the dollar is that is quite a good price for folk in Europe
>no? I guess shipping would be expensive
>Get one man!
In Norway it would come out at the same price as a Mercedes E220-
station wagon. (without extras).
I would have ordered one if I could afford it and were 100% sure that
they would actualy deliver without a lot of delays.
--
SEE YA !!!
Trygve Lillefosse
AKA - Malawi, The Fisher King
Posted by philkryder on July 24, 2007, 2:46 am
wrote:
> >Just pretending I was going to buy one I went for
> > Two-tone premium interior, $1,800
> > Seven-speaker premium sound system tuned for Tesla Roadster cockpit,
> >$800
> > Tesla Motors custom floor mats, $125
> > Mobile charging system, $500
> >in british racing green for total: $102,175
> >Heck the way the dollar is that is quite a good price for folk in Europe
> >no? I guess shipping would be expensive
> >Get one man!
> In Norway it would come out at the same price as a Mercedes E220-
> station wagon. (without extras).
> I would have ordered one if I could afford it and were 100% sure that
> they would actualy deliver without a lot of delays.
> --
> SEE YA !!!
> Trygve Lillefosse
> AKA - Malawi, The Fisher King
yeah - all that delay stuff - and manufacturing problems and -
Remember the DeLorean?
He wrote a book about making an honest sports car....
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>>Anthony Matonak wrote:
>>> David Williams wrote:
>>>> -> Sign this petition to bring the electric car, which they are
>>>> keeping -> from us, back to the retail market. Who are "they", and
>>>> what makes you think they will be influenced by a petition?
>>>
>>> The petition page clearly says General Motors specifically and all
auto
>>> makers in general. You have to give up your email address to "sign"
so
>>> I suspect there are evil spammers behind it who don't care about the
>>> topic.
>>>
>>> The truth to the matter is that both lightweight high energy density
>>> batteries and carbon fiber are still too expensive to make affordable
>>> electric cars. Progress is being made on both fronts but not