Posted by Vaughn on June 6, 2005, 5:10 pm
> My Wife and I were out for a drive today.
Way too much cross posting. Three of the groups you are attempting to post
to do not even seem to exist (at least not on my NNTP server) Decide which
group you want to talk to and do it.
Vaughn
Posted by Randy Gross on June 6, 2005, 6:27 pm
I have picked 6 groups in my field of interest and, I am weeding
according to responses, activity and committment. The process is nearly
complete. Your advice is sound and utilized.
rg
Vaughn wrote:
> Decide which group you want to talk to and do it.
>
> Vaughn
6/6/2005
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Posted by Tony Wesley on June 6, 2005, 6:50 pm
Tony Wesley wrote:
> daestrom wrote:
> > Well, alternatives are always in the R&D area. Some big cities (Detroit for
> > one?) have been experimenting with superconductors
> What?? I live in a near-Detroit suburb, and I'd be shocked (no pun
> intended) if this was the case.
Okay, I'm shocked.
http://lanoswww.epfl.ch/studinfo/courses/cours_supra/Material/NY_Times_mai01.htm
[alt.energy.over-unity, alt.energy.hydrogen and alt.energy.renewable
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Posted by Scott Willing on June 7, 2005, 9:46 pm
wrote:
>My Wife and I were out for a drive today. We came to a street that had
>powerline towers, standing two abreast every hundred yards or so, as
>far as the eye could see in both directions when some thoughts hit me:
>What is the expected life of "The Grid" and, what happens when it
>degrades past maintenance and has to be replaced (and it will)?
>The price tag on this one has to be astronomical indeed or, will we
>utilize alternatives that are more cost effective and cheaper to get up
>and running?
>RG
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I've read a few responses to this that boil down to "don't worry your
pretty little head." And yes, I agree that the grid is not some static
thing that was installed and forgotten about. It's a living beast
that's changing all the time.
But to go slightly OT (?)...
In recent years North America has seen a couple of spectacular grid
failures. One that comes to mind is the "ice storm" in Quebec /
northeastern States, and the other was the big Toronto / north-eastern
States blackout.
The former crumpled honking huge transmission towers like tinker toys
and took weeks to put right. In this country, Hydro Quebec took a lot
of heat for being so slow to bring the system fully back on line, but
honestly I can't see how they could've been "prepared" for such an
event. Keep four times the normal staff and equipment at the ready,
just in case? Not likely.
The latter was apparently due to a combination of factors, but as I
understand it, it was due in at least in some significant part to a
failure to invest in the very sort of maintenance that is supposed to
be going on all smoothly the time.
At the risk of being called a lefty (or worse) privatization does not
necessarily seem to have helped keep the grid all sparkly and new.
When utilities are operated purely for profit rather the the public
good, particularly in virtual (local) monopoly situations, maintenance
can suffer rather severely. The better to improve the bottom line --
at least in the short term -- and make sure executives get fat
bonuses. "Look how profitable our books make us appear!" That sort of
thing. I'm not convinced that the grid is in good hands.
And of course mother nature can be one serious bitch.
If current business and climate change trends continue (as perceived
by me of course, YMMV) then it wouldn't surprise me if the grid became
even less reliable over time.
Somewhat related musings dept.
1. Years ago I was more than a little surprised to hear a
representative from my local energy provider (at the time) state
flatly that the future was in local generation. He didn't mean the
grid would be dead; he was saying that he expected the means of
generation to become increasingly distributed. Think global, generate
local.
2. Since moving off-grid, I've come to appreciate that it's arguably
more "green" to have one's homepower system grid-connected so that one
can (a) use less, or no, battery storage, and (b) contribute any
excess production to the whole. My solar panels took a lot of energy
to create, and ideally if I'm not using the energy they're harvesting
at a particular moment, someone else should. (Too late for me; too far
away to hook up now.)
-=s
Posted by Arnold Walker on June 8, 2005, 2:50 am
If you look at Government programs ....a corrupt private firm is better than
Amtrack or Social Security or much much of anything else they touch.
Private individuals to go jail for some of the stuff, government calls
standard operating procedure.
> wrote:
> >My Wife and I were out for a drive today. We came to a street that had
> >powerline towers, standing two abreast every hundred yards or so, as
> >far as the eye could see in both directions when some thoughts hit me:
> >
> >What is the expected life of "The Grid" and, what happens when it
> >degrades past maintenance and has to be replaced (and it will)?
> >
> >The price tag on this one has to be astronomical indeed or, will we
> >utilize alternatives that are more cost effective and cheaper to get up
> >and running?
> >
> >RG
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> I've read a few responses to this that boil down to "don't worry your
> pretty little head." And yes, I agree that the grid is not some static
> thing that was installed and forgotten about. It's a living beast
> that's changing all the time.
> But to go slightly OT (?)...
> In recent years North America has seen a couple of spectacular grid
> failures. One that comes to mind is the "ice storm" in Quebec /
> northeastern States, and the other was the big Toronto / north-eastern
> States blackout.
> The former crumpled honking huge transmission towers like tinker toys
> and took weeks to put right. In this country, Hydro Quebec took a lot
> of heat for being so slow to bring the system fully back on line, but
> honestly I can't see how they could've been "prepared" for such an
> event. Keep four times the normal staff and equipment at the ready,
> just in case? Not likely.
> The latter was apparently due to a combination of factors, but as I
> understand it, it was due in at least in some significant part to a
> failure to invest in the very sort of maintenance that is supposed to
> be going on all smoothly the time.
> At the risk of being called a lefty (or worse) privatization does not
> necessarily seem to have helped keep the grid all sparkly and new.
> When utilities are operated purely for profit rather the the public
> good, particularly in virtual (local) monopoly situations, maintenance
> can suffer rather severely. The better to improve the bottom line --
> at least in the short term -- and make sure executives get fat
> bonuses. "Look how profitable our books make us appear!" That sort of
> thing. I'm not convinced that the grid is in good hands.
> And of course mother nature can be one serious bitch.
> If current business and climate change trends continue (as perceived
> by me of course, YMMV) then it wouldn't surprise me if the grid became
> even less reliable over time.
> Somewhat related musings dept.
> 1. Years ago I was more than a little surprised to hear a
> representative from my local energy provider (at the time) state
> flatly that the future was in local generation. He didn't mean the
> grid would be dead; he was saying that he expected the means of
> generation to become increasingly distributed. Think global, generate
> local.
> 2. Since moving off-grid, I've come to appreciate that it's arguably
> more "green" to have one's homepower system grid-connected so that one
> can (a) use less, or no, battery storage, and (b) contribute any
> excess production to the whole. My solar panels took a lot of energy
> to create, and ideally if I'm not using the energy they're harvesting
> at a particular moment, someone else should. (Too late for me; too far
> away to hook up now.)
> -=s
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