Posted by nicksanspam on April 27, 2007, 8:06 am
>... I called EBAC, and they also recommended a dehumidifier based on
>a chemical absorbent.
It's hard to do 25% in the usual way. Raising air from 32 F and 100% RH
(with a frozen coil) to 70 F would only lower the RH to 24%...
>I am trying to create a desert-like atmosphere in my bedroom. 25% is
>not that low: the air in mountain regions and deserts is much dier.
>E.g. the weather forecast in Bishop, CA for today claimed 13%
>humidity.My asthma gets much better in the desert and in the mountains.
... 150 Tyvek bags filled with desiccant clay can absorb 28% of their
weight in water, ie 53 pints:
http://www.uline.com/ProductDetail.asp?model=S-1606&ref 06
The Florida Solar Energy Center puts clay bags on wire racks in an attic
with a tin roof which heats up and dries them out during the day. After
they cool, at night, they remove moisture from house air that circulates
up through the attic. Here's some Desi-Pak (tm) tech info:
http://www.agmcontainer.com/desiccantcity/pdfs/Desiccant%20performance.pdf
Graph 4 shows Desi-Paks can absorb 12% of their weight in 10 hours at 30C
and 60% RH, ie 2.3 pints per hour for the 189 pound collection above. This
rises with more airflow or thinner bags. Graph 3 says they can absorb 8%
in 100 hours at 25C and 10% RH, ie 0.15 pints per hour for 189 pounds.
Engineer Eric Zuercher at 800 995 5590 can email more regeneration info,
eg a graph of clay capacity vs temp, about 17% at 90 F and 5% at 100 F
and 2% at 200 F.
If Neon John gave a rat's ass about global warming :-) he might engineer
himself a plastic film greenhouse full of bags to keep his valuable books
dry, given an outdoor humidity ratio w = 0.0152 pounds of water per pound
of dry air and average daily min and max temps of 67.7 and 89 F and 1860
Btu/ft^2 of sun on the ground and 710 on a south wall on an average July
day (the worst-case month for dehumidification) in Chattanooga, with less
water vapor pressure and cooler air up in his mountain hideout.
Nick
Posted by Jeff on April 27, 2007, 10:26 am
nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
>
>
>>... I called EBAC, and they also recommended a dehumidifier based on
>>a chemical absorbent.
>
>
> It's hard to do 25% in the usual way. Raising air from 32 F and 100% RH
> (with a frozen coil) to 70 F would only lower the RH to 24%...
>
>
>>I am trying to create a desert-like atmosphere in my bedroom. 25% is
>>not that low: the air in mountain regions and deserts is much dier.
>>E.g. the weather forecast in Bishop, CA for today claimed 13%
>>humidity.My asthma gets much better in the desert and in the mountains.
>
>
> ... 150 Tyvek bags filled with desiccant clay can absorb 28% of their
> weight in water, ie 53 pints:
>
> http://www.uline.com/ProductDetail.asp?model=S-1606&ref 06
Since you know more about desiccants than anyone I know, do you have
any information on calcium chloride and or lithium bromide (as liquid
desiccants)? I'd like to take some of my excess solar heat and and use
it to air condition.
Calcium Chloride dessicant dehumidifier diagram:
<URL:
http://www.samedanltd.com/members/archives/PMPS/Winter2001/KoenEgberts.htm
/>
AC example:
<URL:
http://www.energy.ca.gov/2005publications/CEC-500-2005-083/CEC-500-2005-083.PDF
/>
I've been wondering where the balance is between humidity,
temperature and solution concentration. My guess is this is where the
enthalpy of the air = that of the brine desiccant, not that I know what
the enthalpy of the brine is!
Roughly what I'm thinking of is using a combination of solar heated
water (passed through a radiator) and hot attic air (I have a fan
powered gable vent) to regenerate the desiccant.
Jeff
>
> The Florida Solar Energy Center puts clay bags on wire racks in an attic
> with a tin roof which heats up and dries them out during the day. After
> they cool, at night, they remove moisture from house air that circulates
> up through the attic. Here's some Desi-Pak (tm) tech info:
>
> http://www.agmcontainer.com/desiccantcity/pdfs/Desiccant%20performance.pdf
>
> Graph 4 shows Desi-Paks can absorb 12% of their weight in 10 hours at 30C
> and 60% RH, ie 2.3 pints per hour for the 189 pound collection above. This
> rises with more airflow or thinner bags. Graph 3 says they can absorb 8%
> in 100 hours at 25C and 10% RH, ie 0.15 pints per hour for 189 pounds.
>
> Engineer Eric Zuercher at 800 995 5590 can email more regeneration info,
> eg a graph of clay capacity vs temp, about 17% at 90 F and 5% at 100 F
> and 2% at 200 F.
>
> If Neon John gave a rat's ass about global warming :-) he might engineer
> himself a plastic film greenhouse full of bags to keep his valuable books
> dry, given an outdoor humidity ratio w = 0.0152 pounds of water per pound
> of dry air and average daily min and max temps of 67.7 and 89 F and 1860
> Btu/ft^2 of sun on the ground and 710 on a south wall on an average July
> day (the worst-case month for dehumidification) in Chattanooga, with less
> water vapor pressure and cooler air up in his mountain hideout.
>
> Nick
>
Posted by Jeff on April 27, 2007, 10:28 am
Jeff wrote:
Ooops sorry Nick,
I missed your sig and thought the post was from someone I hadn't
queried before.
Jeff
> nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>> ... I called EBAC, and they also recommended a dehumidifier based on
>>> a chemical absorbent.
>>
>>
>>
>> It's hard to do 25% in the usual way. Raising air from 32 F and 100% RH
>> (with a frozen coil) to 70 F would only lower the RH to 24%...
>>
>>
>>> I am trying to create a desert-like atmosphere in my bedroom. 25% is
>>> not that low: the air in mountain regions and deserts is much dier.
>>> E.g. the weather forecast in Bishop, CA for today claimed 13%
>>> humidity.My asthma gets much better in the desert and in the mountains.
>>
>>
>>
>> ... 150 Tyvek bags filled with desiccant clay can absorb 28% of their
>> weight in water, ie 53 pints:
>>
>> http://www.uline.com/ProductDetail.asp?model=S-1606&ref 06
>
>
> Since you know more about desiccants than anyone I know, do you have
> any information on calcium chloride and or lithium bromide (as liquid
> desiccants)? I'd like to take some of my excess solar heat and and use
> it to air condition.
>
> Calcium Chloride dessicant dehumidifier diagram:
>
> <URL:
> http://www.samedanltd.com/members/archives/PMPS/Winter2001/KoenEgberts.htm
> />
>
> AC example:
>
> <URL:
>
http://www.energy.ca.gov/2005publications/CEC-500-2005-083/CEC-500-2005-083.PDF
> />
>
> I've been wondering where the balance is between humidity, temperature
> and solution concentration. My guess is this is where the enthalpy of
> the air = that of the brine desiccant, not that I know what the enthalpy
> of the brine is!
>
> Roughly what I'm thinking of is using a combination of solar heated
> water (passed through a radiator) and hot attic air (I have a fan
> powered gable vent) to regenerate the desiccant.
>
> Jeff
>
>>
>> The Florida Solar Energy Center puts clay bags on wire racks in an
>> attic with a tin roof which heats up and dries them out during the
>> day. After
>> they cool, at night, they remove moisture from house air that circulates
>> up through the attic. Here's some Desi-Pak (tm) tech info:
>>
>> http://www.agmcontainer.com/desiccantcity/pdfs/Desiccant%20performance.pdf
>>
>> Graph 4 shows Desi-Paks can absorb 12% of their weight in 10 hours at 30C
>> and 60% RH, ie 2.3 pints per hour for the 189 pound collection above.
>> This
>> rises with more airflow or thinner bags. Graph 3 says they can absorb 8%
>> in 100 hours at 25C and 10% RH, ie 0.15 pints per hour for 189 pounds.
>>
>> Engineer Eric Zuercher at 800 995 5590 can email more regeneration info,
>> eg a graph of clay capacity vs temp, about 17% at 90 F and 5% at 100 F
>> and 2% at 200 F.
>> If Neon John gave a rat's ass about global warming :-) he might engineer
>> himself a plastic film greenhouse full of bags to keep his valuable books
>> dry, given an outdoor humidity ratio w = 0.0152 pounds of water per pound
>> of dry air and average daily min and max temps of 67.7 and 89 F and 1860
>> Btu/ft^2 of sun on the ground and 710 on a south wall on an average July
>> day (the worst-case month for dehumidification) in Chattanooga, with less
>> water vapor pressure and cooler air up in his mountain hideout.
>>
>> Nick
>>
Posted by Neon John on April 27, 2007, 4:19 pm
On 27 Apr 2007 08:06:09 -0400, nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
>If Neon John gave a rat's ass about global warming :-)
I'm very comfortable with my own personal religion. I don't need to
adopt your set of myths.
>he might engineer
>himself a plastic film greenhouse full of bags to keep his valuable books
>dry, given an outdoor humidity ratio w = 0.0152 pounds of water per pound
>of dry air and average daily min and max temps of 67.7 and 89 F and 1860
>Btu/ft^2 of sun on the ground and 710 on a south wall on an average July
>day (the worst-case month for dehumidification) in Chattanooga, with less
>water vapor pressure and cooler air up in his mountain hideout.
Yo Nick. Yoohooo, anyone in there? Lights are on but is anyone home?
One more time, I don't live in Chattanooga. I live 100 miles away in
a mountain-side dense forest. Mountain peaks extend for at least 1000
ft on either side of my. Sun only makes it into this little valley for
a few hours a day even in the summer. To waste money on something
like you suggest, I'd have to cut down the forest that surrounds my
home. Why would I want to toss out all those pretty trees and natural
shade?
Besides, the overwhelming proportion of my power comes from nuclear.
The Ultimate Green Power Source.
John
---
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See my website for my current email address
http://www.neon-john.com
Cleveland, Occupied TN
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Freedom, Justice, Honor, Duty, Mercy, Hope. -Churchill
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>a chemical absorbent.