Posted by Tommy on August 12, 2008, 11:29 am
I agree about the looks, and fire hazards of foam. My added foam
insulation is only on the back. I used almost the same size cell
polystyrene foam as the new fridge has. The original insulation foam has
a corrugated plastic cover over it (dead air space, sorta like double
pane windows) which i should remove, and reapply over both sheets of
foam. Fridge isn't in a fire area of my kitchen.
My electric co. announced that Tenn Valley Authority was raising their
rates in Oct. My electric co. coop. said they would pass the cost along
to us the consumer. So I have been working hard on all the electrical
uses in my home. I'm down from 1100-1200 kwh's to 500-750 KWH's. the
last couple of months.
I don't see fridges talked about much, and just thought I would chime
in.
Tommy
Posted by Chris Hill on August 12, 2008, 2:39 pm
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 02:52:17 -0700 (PDT), drydem
>Given that many people don't stay in one place for
>over 4 years or make plans for that long - most of
>the energy star electric applicances fail to provide
>any significant cost saving to justified their extra
>cost - without a tax incentive, it is difficult to justify
>their additional cost if energy prices stay stable or
>only increase gradually. The only way energy star
>cost premium might be justifiable would be if the
>cost of electricity/energy went up dramatically
>for a significant portion of the lifespace of the
>device/appliance.
Over 30% owe more than their houses are worth, they'll be staying for
a good while. Your argument is just another reason why moving around
can eat you alive financially. Short term thinking leads to a long
term self-screwing.
Posted by Vaughn Simon on August 12, 2008, 3:11 pm
> Over 30% owe more than their houses are worth,
Is that a real number?
> they'll be staying for a good while.
Actually, being "upside down" on the ownership of your home gives incentive
to walk out on the whole deal. You have nothing to lose.
> Your argument is just another reason why moving around can eat you alive
> financially.
True, but I wonder if I screwed myself by staying with the same employer for
nearly 4 decades. Probably could have gone further by doing some judicious job
jumping. On the other hand, early retirement is nice...
> Short term thinking leads to a long term self-screwing.
Yep! Credit cards are a great example; "get it now, suffer later." I have
too many friends/relatives who are slaves to high-interest credit card debt.
Vaughn
Posted by Chris Hill on August 12, 2008, 9:06 pm
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:11:54 GMT, "Vaughn Simon"
>>
>> Over 30% owe more than their houses are worth,
> Is that a real number?
>> they'll be staying for a good while.
> Actually, being "upside down" on the ownership of your home gives incentive
>to walk out on the whole deal. You have nothing to lose.
Except your credit score, which some people seem to believe is more
important than life itself.
>> Your argument is just another reason why moving around can eat you alive
>> financially.
> True, but I wonder if I screwed myself by staying with the same employer for
>nearly 4 decades. Probably could have gone further by doing some judicious job
>jumping. On the other hand, early retirement is nice...
It is so easy to figure the upside to a decision, and often so hard to
figure out the downside of the same decision. I've lived in the same
area for 15 years. We know people here. My parents have lived in the
same place for nearly 40 years. Knowing your neighbors and having
people around you can trust is worth a lot.
>> Short term thinking leads to a long term self-screwing.
> Yep! Credit cards are a great example; "get it now, suffer later." I have
>too many friends/relatives who are slaves to high-interest credit card debt.
Sad thing is that people often don't even remember what the debt got
for them to begin with.
I look at it a little differently than most. I'll gladly spend money
now to save money later. Sure, investing that moeny could potentially
make me more money, but sometimes it doesn't. If I spend the money on
items or improvements that save me money, I generally get a better
overall return on investment. Besides that, I just like having less
money going out every month, and utility costs have only gone one way
in the last 15 years.
>over 4 years or make plans for that long - most of
>the energy star electric applicances fail to provide
>any significant cost saving to justified their extra
>cost - without a tax incentive, it is difficult to justify
>their additional cost if energy prices stay stable or
>only increase gradually. The only way energy star
>cost premium might be justifiable would be if the
>cost of electricity/energy went up dramatically
>for a significant portion of the lifespace of the
>device/appliance.