Posted by daniel.dekkers on June 29, 2007, 4:56 pm
All,
We could really use some input around the replacement of our current
primary heat source. We live in a rural area and currently rely mostly
on a woodstove as the primary heat source. We do have some electric
baseboards as well but when runnig these our electrical bill explodes.
We live in BC , Canada and our electricl rate is 0.06 CAD per KW.
We have done a lot of research across the many alternative that exist
today: air-to-air heatpumps, air-to-water heatpumps, ground source
heatpumps (Geo), pellet boilers etc. We don't have natural gas
available so that is not an options. After going through all the
options I have come to the conclusion that the best replacement
(considering all things like cost, comfort, noise, environment etc) is
to put in an electrical boiler (dual energy so we can use propane as
the backup for when we loose power) in combination with hydronic
baseboards. We will likely need somewhere abour 50,000 - 60,000 BTU
and our sqft is around 2200 (two story home with split levels and
vaulted seiling, skylights etc). The house was built in 1982 and
insulation is not great (but also not terribly bad e.g. we do have
double paned windows).
Before contacting heating contractors it would be great if people in
this group could help provide some input to whether we are on the
right track, anything that we are missing etc etc.
The cost of this solution is looking at around $3,000 USD for the
basebaords and $2,000 for the dual energy boiler. Of course on top of
that we will have the installation and plumbing.
Thanks in advance,
Daniel
Posted by Steve Spence on June 29, 2007, 5:19 pm
Most folks dump the electric for heat. Seems backwards.
We are installing a HS Tarm gasifying wood boiler, 85% efficient.
http://www.woodboilers.com
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Steve Spence
Director, Green-Trust
http://www.green-trust.org
> All,
> We could really use some input around the replacement of our current
> primary heat source. We live in a rural area and currently rely mostly
> on a woodstove as the primary heat source. We do have some electric
> baseboards as well but when runnig these our electrical bill explodes.
> We live in BC , Canada and our electricl rate is 0.06 CAD per KW.
> We have done a lot of research across the many alternative that exist
> today: air-to-air heatpumps, air-to-water heatpumps, ground source
> heatpumps (Geo), pellet boilers etc. We don't have natural gas
> available so that is not an options. After going through all the
> options I have come to the conclusion that the best replacement
> (considering all things like cost, comfort, noise, environment etc) is
> to put in an electrical boiler (dual energy so we can use propane as
> the backup for when we loose power) in combination with hydronic
> baseboards. We will likely need somewhere abour 50,000 - 60,000 BTU
> and our sqft is around 2200 (two story home with split levels and
> vaulted seiling, skylights etc). The house was built in 1982 and
> insulation is not great (but also not terribly bad e.g. we do have
> double paned windows).
> Before contacting heating contractors it would be great if people in
> this group could help provide some input to whether we are on the
> right track, anything that we are missing etc etc.
> The cost of this solution is looking at around $3,000 USD for the
> basebaords and $2,000 for the dual energy boiler. Of course on top of
> that we will have the installation and plumbing.
> Thanks in advance,
> Daniel
>
Posted by daniel.dekkers on July 3, 2007, 7:20 pm
> Most folks dump the electric for heat. Seems backwards.
> We are installing a HS Tarm gasifyingwoodboiler, 85% efficient.
> http://www.woodboilers.com
> --
> Steve Spence
wrote in message
Forgot to mention but natural Gas is not available in our area.....
Daniel
Posted by nicksanspam on July 4, 2007, 4:32 am
>We are installing a HS Tarm gasifyingwoodboiler, 85% efficient.
Can you improve that with a condensing chimney made with SV special gas vent
concentric pipe from American Metal Products?
I've heard Tarm installations with a heat storage tank involve fairly
complex controls and plumbing.
Nick
Posted by nicksanspam on June 29, 2007, 5:28 pm
>We could really use some input around the replacement of our current
>primary heat source. We live in a rural area and currently rely mostly
>on a woodstove as the primary heat source. We do have some electric
>baseboards as well but when runnig these our electrical bill explodes.
>We live in BC , Canada...
How about an inexpensiveo sunspace for solar heating domestic hot water?
The 1981 NRC Solarium Workbook says 1358 Wh/m^2 of sun falls
on a south wall on an average 4 C December day in Vancouver.
Nick
> We could really use some input around the replacement of our current
> primary heat source. We live in a rural area and currently rely mostly
> on a woodstove as the primary heat source. We do have some electric
> baseboards as well but when runnig these our electrical bill explodes.
> We live in BC , Canada and our electricl rate is 0.06 CAD per KW.
> We have done a lot of research across the many alternative that exist
> today: air-to-air heatpumps, air-to-water heatpumps, ground source
> heatpumps (Geo), pellet boilers etc. We don't have natural gas
> available so that is not an options. After going through all the
> options I have come to the conclusion that the best replacement
> (considering all things like cost, comfort, noise, environment etc) is
> to put in an electrical boiler (dual energy so we can use propane as
> the backup for when we loose power) in combination with hydronic
> baseboards. We will likely need somewhere abour 50,000 - 60,000 BTU
> and our sqft is around 2200 (two story home with split levels and
> vaulted seiling, skylights etc). The house was built in 1982 and
> insulation is not great (but also not terribly bad e.g. we do have
> double paned windows).
> Before contacting heating contractors it would be great if people in
> this group could help provide some input to whether we are on the
> right track, anything that we are missing etc etc.
> The cost of this solution is looking at around $3,000 USD for the
> basebaords and $2,000 for the dual energy boiler. Of course on top of
> that we will have the installation and plumbing.
> Thanks in advance,
> Daniel
>