Posted by stu on October 30, 2009, 7:03 am
> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:46:25 +1100, stu wrote:
> > Well Helen seems a little short on numbers when it doesnt suit her. But
> > then, she also writes "facts" from unnamed dead people, which makes some
> > of her "facts" a little hard to check up on. She talks about Depleted
> > uranium in bombs... I've never heard of a bomb with DU in it (which
> > doesnt mean there isnt one of course. anyone?). And "Contrary to
> > accepted norms of wartime behavior, the U.S. attacked colums of
> > retreating Iraqi soldiers-" accepted?. by who? when? which war was that?
> DU in a *bomb* would be pretty pointless, if you stop to think about it.
> From Wikipedia: "Depleted uranium is used as a tamper in fission bombs
> and as a nuclear explosive in hydrogen bombs. It is a potential
> containment material for a Nuclear shaped charge due to its opacity to X-
> Rays." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium )
> Depleted Uranium _is_ used in some ordnance rounds (most famously tank
> rounds), and if the person in question is "relaxed" with her usage of
> military terminology, that may be what she was referring to.
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I just checked her book. [In my edition, it is pages 51-52.] No
mention of DU use in a bomb. Just the fact that it is used in ordnance
and stockpiles are leaking. I invite the original poster to cite a
reference or retract the statement.
maybe I could cite a reference of a private email as Helen does, would that
make it a fact?
"Facts from unnamed dead people" page 4 note 2 Nuclear power is not the
answer.
"DU in bombs" page 156 (about) note 25. The new nuclear danger.
"Contrary to accepted norms of etc." page 146 The new nulcear danger
Posted by newsletters@gmail.com on October 28, 2009, 4:50 pm
On Oct 28, 4:51am, "stu" <no where just yet> wrote:
> Worse yet, there is plenty of nuclear waste
> stored at the reactor sites that is not in any containment vessel.
> They let the rods cool a bit before even considering transferring them
> offsite, and we now know Yucca Mountain will not be opened.
I won't claim to have seen every nuclear site. But of all those I
have seen, not one had spent fuel outside of the multi-layer casks
that have something like 55 tons of shielding. Walking and working
around these storage buildings and/or "pads", my dosimeter never went
over 0.01 millirads per hour dose rate. You'll get more exposure than
that just walking on the sidewalk beside by the granite-faced walls of
the bank downtime.
Posted by Rich Grise on October 28, 2009, 4:14 pm
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:50:43 -0700, newsletters@gmail.com wrote:
> On Oct 28, 4:51 am, "stu" <no where just yet> wrote:
>>
>> Worse yet, there is plenty of nuclear waste stored at the reactor sites
>> that is not in any containment vessel. They let the rods cool a bit
>> before even considering transferring them offsite, and we now know Yucca
>> Mountain will not be opened.
>
> I won't claim to have seen every nuclear site. But of all those I have
> seen, not one had spent fuel outside of the multi-layer casks that have
> something like 55 tons of shielding. Walking and working around these
> storage buildings and/or "pads", my dosimeter never went over 0.01
> millirads per hour dose rate. You'll get more exposure than that just
> walking on the sidewalk beside by the granite-faced walls of the bank
> downtime.
Just put the waste here, until we heal the paranoia and start
reprocessing it:
http://www.wipp.energy.gov/
Cheers!
Rich
Posted by miso@sushi.com on October 29, 2009, 5:27 am
> On Oct 28, 4:51am, "stu" <no where just yet> wrote:
> > Worse yet, there is plenty of nuclear waste
> > stored at the reactor sites that is not in any containment vessel.
> > They let the rods cool a bit before even considering transferring them
> > offsite, and we now know Yucca Mountain will not be opened.
> I won't claim to have seen every nuclear site. But of all those I
> have seen, not one had spent fuel outside of the multi-layer casks
> that have something like 55 tons of shielding. Walking and working
> around these storage buildings and/or "pads", my dosimeter never went
> over 0.01 millirads per hour dose rate. You'll get more exposure than
> that just walking on the sidewalk beside by the granite-faced walls of
> the bank downtime.
I'm not concerned about exposure as much as the spent rods would be a
terrorist target. Some rods are in pools and some are "air cooled"
IIRC.
<http://www.mindfully.org/Nucs/Diablo-Canyon-Open-Air-Storage.htm>
Diablo Canyon has had a pretty good record. Of course, you know they
had to rebuild a lot of that plant due to plans being reversed in a
blue print copier. ;-)
"Sept. 27 Just as the Diablo Canyon blockade is ending a newly hired
25 year old engineer discovers that the seismic blue prints have been
reversed; "
http://www.energy-net.org/01NUKE/DIABLO1.HTM
It's a classic story because the new kid on the block finds the error
while all the seasoned professionals just follow orders.
I'm for damning up whatever we can dam, fishies be dammed, er damned.
There is a politician in California that wants to undo the Hetch
Hetchy dam and restore the valley. As if we need one more valley in
Yosemite to hike. Plus it is the water source for San Francisco and
much of the east bay. When James Watt proposed this, it was easy to
laugh off because James Watt was nuts. But John Garamendi is basically
a pretty sharp guy except for this nutty idea.
Ya know, there is probably good money to be made on the downstream
side of solar electric plants. Inverters really could be more
efficient,. Probably the biggest limitation is the magnetic core.
Maybe wire loss is next [We need power litz wire.]
Posted by vaughn on October 28, 2009, 1:11 pm
> Worse yet, there is plenty of nuclear waste
>stored at the reactor sites that is not in any containment vessel. They let
>the rods cool a bit before even considering transferring them
>offsite,
And rightly so. It is far safer to store high-level nuclear waste on-site
and postpone moving it until it naturally decays to at least medium-level
waste.
>and we now know Yucca Mountain will not be opened.
The problems with Yuca Mountain are far more political than scientific. The
great irony is that the highly-trumpeted "nuclear waste problem" has been
made insolvable my the anti-nukes. They have been very effective! Further,
they refuse to realistically compare the dangers of nuclear power to the
dangers of the alternatives.
In the interim, the world is subjected to the ecological horror of more and
more coal plants, and (statistically speaking) humans are dying form the
emissions from those plants. Further, those plants also have an insolvable
waste problem.
Vaughn
> > Well Helen seems a little short on numbers when it doesnt suit her. But
> > then, she also writes "facts" from unnamed dead people, which makes some
> > of her "facts" a little hard to check up on. She talks about Depleted
> > uranium in bombs... I've never heard of a bomb with DU in it (which
> > doesnt mean there isnt one of course. anyone?). And "Contrary to
> > accepted norms of wartime behavior, the U.S. attacked colums of
> > retreating Iraqi soldiers-" accepted?. by who? when? which war was that?
> DU in a *bomb* would be pretty pointless, if you stop to think about it.
> From Wikipedia: "Depleted uranium is used as a tamper in fission bombs
> and as a nuclear explosive in hydrogen bombs. It is a potential
> containment material for a Nuclear shaped charge due to its opacity to X-
> Rays." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium )
> Depleted Uranium _is_ used in some ordnance rounds (most famously tank
> rounds), and if the person in question is "relaxed" with her usage of
> military terminology, that may be what she was referring to.
> --
> Encrypted email encouraged and PREFERRED
> Thursday, October 29, 2009 @ 1454
> ** Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies. **
> ----------------------------------------------------------------