Posted by lkgeo1 on December 6, 2006, 1:11 am
Schwarzenegger to light fuel-cell-powered Christmas tree
04:30 PM US Eastern Timezone
LOS ANGELES (AFP) - A hydrogen fuel cell will light California's
Christmas tree, governor of the pro-environment US state
Arnold Schwarzenegger announced, giving the low-emissions technology a
boost. "For the first time in California's history, a small hydrogen
fuel-cell system will power the energy-efficient Christmas tree
throughout the holiday season," said a statement from his office.
Schwarzenegger will light the tree in the state capital Sacramento
later Tuesday with his wife, Maria Shriver.
The technology of producing electricity using hydrogen, one of the most
abundant resources on Earth, is still in the early stages of
development. Fuel cells emit only water vapor when they produce
California has some of the toughest environmental laws in the country.
Schwarzenegger signed a historic bill in September to cap greenhouse
gas emissions, making California the first US state to impose limits on
gases suspected in global warming.
Posted by Eeyore on December 6, 2006, 4:23 am
What idiotic and pointless tokenism.
Posted by Eeyore on December 6, 2006, 4:25 am
Shame about all the CO2 they're responsible for in the process leading up to
So where's the hydrogen going to come from then ?
Posted by Dusty on December 6, 2006, 5:25 am
G'day "Eeyore" & all;
Spot-on, Graham, but that's only the first part...it's actually worse then
that. The green-weenies make a big deal out of all of the CO2 they think
they're gonna save us from. Why? Why to "cure" (the theory of) global
warming, of course.
Fact: CO2 comprises about 0.03% of the atmosphere by volume
Fact: water vapor comprises about 20% of the atmosphere by volume
Fact: a given volume of water vapor can hold _several_hundred_times_ the
amount of heat that the same volume of CO2 can hold (I don't recall the
exact value off the top)
Nearly 700 times more water vapor in the atmosphere than CO2, and that water
vapor holds many times more heat than CO2...and all they can focus on is
their "hydrocarbon-fired" hatreds. Sad, that...
Result: A great con to get us to stop using cheap combustibles and start
using inefficient alternative fuels...
Why? Social engineering... To make us dance to their tune... Ya start by
dumbing down the population, so it's easier to convince 'em of what you want
'em to think. Control. Don't think that's happening? Just go back and
read the recent exchange betwixt myself and our resident hydrogen energy
Now, am I against the use of cleaner energy alternatives? Absolutely not!
But nothing yet presented today, except nukes, is gonna help in the near
term. The long term I don't know about...I have hope that technology can
give us a hand up...but I'm not optimistic given the idiots our schools are
producing (and our society is nurturing) these days...
Always a good question, Graham. And one that needs to asked of every
hydrogen idjit with the words "H2" slipping through his lips. They still
don't understand that all the commercial quantities of H2 are made via steam
reformation of methane...gotten from oil (and gas) wells... <big sigh!>
Those folks belong in the same after-school study hall as the idiots that
think that because an electric vehicle is "clean" where it's being
used...that the folks that live by the fossil fuel burning power-plants
deserve to have their share of the pollution they make as well...
Dusty -- headin' south for warmer, drier weather... Probably go through
Quartzite...anybody home there this weekend or so???
Posted by CM on December 6, 2006, 7:31 am
Typical political photo op, and a rather expensive way to light a christmas
tree. No doubt, some company is providing it for the publicity, and to try
to get more money for the hydrogen hiway boondoggle.
Early stages? Fuel cells have only been around for 163 years, but it looks
like it will take another 20 years (and another, and another.... ) before
they are ready to market.
Trouble is, the main source of hydrogen for that fuel cell is from Natural
gas, in a process that produces CO2. Electrolysis is too inefficient, less
than 60%. Much better to use electricity directly, or with 85% efficient