Posted by John P Bengi on July 8, 2005, 9:40 pm
Hydrometer to measure the specific gravity of the acid solution. This tells
you the charge on the batteries, not the health of the battery or it's
capacity but just the relative charge.
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >SQLit wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hi all,
> >>>
> >>>I live in rural eastern New Mexico. High winds combined with fragile
> >>>transmission systems create occassional power outages.
> >>>
> >>>I want to put together a simple, inexpensive emergency power supply
> >>>and want some suggestions.
> >>>
> >>>Here's what I have in mind...
> >>>
> >>>12V battery (standard, eventually deep-cycle)
> >>>120V power inverter (I replaced the low-battery buzzer w/ an LED
> >>>light)
> >>>Small 12V solar panel for recharging
> >>>120V Fluorecent light (to provide light w/ minimum power drain)
> >>>Wooden box (to tie everything together)
> >>>
> >>>Anything else I need in the way of gauges (I really don't care if the
> >>>battery goes dead while I'm using it) or regulators? This is going to
> >>>be very light duty.
> >>>
> >>>Maybe there are some websites that could give me some pointers.
> >>>
> >>>Thanks!
> >>>
> >>>-- Christian
> >>
> >>
> >> Informational purposes you can try the Costco web site they sell
systems
> >> also Harbor Freight.
> >>
> >> Your concept of a small solar panel is self limiting. Most small
panels are
> >> not much good other than for trickle charging. Which may not be enough
to
> >> bring your battery back from a deep discharge. Do you plan to add in a
120v
> >> charger when the utility graces you with power?
> >>
> >> Battery maintenance is important so getting a hygrometer would be a
good
> >
> >
> >Hygrometer - noun: Measuring instrument for measuring the relative
> >humidity of the atmosphere
> >
> >Hydrometer - noun: A measuring instrument for determining the specific
> >gravity of a liquid or solid
> I looked up the definition. I just don't know how it relates to a
> battery.
> -- Christian
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Posted by George Ghio on July 11, 2005, 8:55 am
Christian M. Mericle wrote:
> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>SQLit wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi all,
>>>>
>>>>I live in rural eastern New Mexico. High winds combined with fragile
>>>>transmission systems create occassional power outages.
>>>>
>>>>I want to put together a simple, inexpensive emergency power supply
>>>>and want some suggestions.
>>>>
>>>>Here's what I have in mind...
>>>>
>>>>12V battery (standard, eventually deep-cycle)
>>>>120V power inverter (I replaced the low-battery buzzer w/ an LED
>>>>light)
>>>>Small 12V solar panel for recharging
>>>>120V Fluorecent light (to provide light w/ minimum power drain)
>>>>Wooden box (to tie everything together)
>>>>
>>>>Anything else I need in the way of gauges (I really don't care if the
>>>>battery goes dead while I'm using it) or regulators? This is going to
>>>>be very light duty.
>>>>
>>>>Maybe there are some websites that could give me some pointers.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks!
>>>>
>>>>-- Christian
>>>
>>>
>>>Informational purposes you can try the Costco web site they sell systems
>>>also Harbor Freight.
>>>
>>>Your concept of a small solar panel is self limiting. Most small panels are
>>>not much good other than for trickle charging. Which may not be enough to
>>>bring your battery back from a deep discharge. Do you plan to add in a 120v
>>>charger when the utility graces you with power?
>>>
>>>Battery maintenance is important so getting a hygrometer would be a good
>>
>>
>>Hygrometer - noun: Measuring instrument for measuring the relative
>>humidity of the atmosphere
>>
>>Hydrometer - noun: A measuring instrument for determining the specific
>>gravity of a liquid or solid
>
>
> I looked up the definition. I just don't know how it relates to a
> battery.
>
> -- Christian
Christian, while John is almost correct, it is more correct that a
hydrometer is useful to determine the health of a battery.
Batteries are not, as some would have you believe, boxes full of
electricity. A battery is, in reality, a box of chemicals that that have
the potential, though chemical reaction, to cause electrons to flow
through a circuit.
When discharging lead acid batteries produce electricity when the
negative (lead) plate reacts with sulphuric acid and forms lead
sulphate. At the same time the positive plate (lead dioxide) is also
converted to lead sulphate.
When being charged, the reverse reactions occur.
A fully charged cell should have a specific gravity of around 1.25 - 1.28
If after charging all day you find a cell that has a SG of 1.11 while
all the other cell have a SG of 1.23 then it is a good bet that you have
a dud cell.
This is somewhat more accurate than measuring the voltage in that the
electrolyte is separate from all other cells while the voltage is
measured as part of a circuit which may cause a false reading as the
other cells are trying to charge the dead cell.
Posted by Christian M. Mericle on July 11, 2005, 4:03 pm
wrote:
<snip>
>> I looked up the definition. I just don't know how it relates to a
>> battery.
>>
>> -- Christian
>Christian, while John is almost correct, it is more correct that a
>hydrometer is useful to determine the health of a battery.
>Batteries are not, as some would have you believe, boxes full of
>electricity. A battery is, in reality, a box of chemicals that that have
>the potential, though chemical reaction, to cause electrons to flow
>through a circuit.
>When discharging lead acid batteries produce electricity when the
>negative (lead) plate reacts with sulphuric acid and forms lead
>sulphate. At the same time the positive plate (lead dioxide) is also
>converted to lead sulphate.
>When being charged, the reverse reactions occur.
>A fully charged cell should have a specific gravity of around 1.25 - 1.28
>If after charging all day you find a cell that has a SG of 1.11 while
>all the other cell have a SG of 1.23 then it is a good bet that you have
>a dud cell.
>This is somewhat more accurate than measuring the voltage in that the
>electrolyte is separate from all other cells while the voltage is
>measured as part of a circuit which may cause a false reading as the
>other cells are trying to charge the dead cell.
Okay, I thought it might be something like that. I gather that the
hydrometer is not permanently attached but is used periodically
(regularly?) to check the charge and health of the battery. Is that
correct?
-- Christian
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Posted by George Ghio on July 12, 2005, 5:04 am
Christian M. Mericle wrote:
> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>>I looked up the definition. I just don't know how it relates to a
>>>battery.
>>>
>>>-- Christian
>>
>>Christian, while John is almost correct, it is more correct that a
>>hydrometer is useful to determine the health of a battery.
>>
>>Batteries are not, as some would have you believe, boxes full of
>>electricity. A battery is, in reality, a box of chemicals that that have
>>the potential, though chemical reaction, to cause electrons to flow
>>through a circuit.
>>
>>When discharging lead acid batteries produce electricity when the
>>negative (lead) plate reacts with sulphuric acid and forms lead
>>sulphate. At the same time the positive plate (lead dioxide) is also
>>converted to lead sulphate.
>>
>>When being charged, the reverse reactions occur.
>>
>>A fully charged cell should have a specific gravity of around 1.25 - 1.28
>>
>>If after charging all day you find a cell that has a SG of 1.11 while
>>all the other cell have a SG of 1.23 then it is a good bet that you have
>>a dud cell.
>>
>>This is somewhat more accurate than measuring the voltage in that the
>>electrolyte is separate from all other cells while the voltage is
>>measured as part of a circuit which may cause a false reading as the
>>other cells are trying to charge the dead cell.
>
>
> Okay, I thought it might be something like that. I gather that the
> hydrometer is not permanently attached but is used periodically
> (regularly?) to check the charge and health of the battery. Is that
> correct?
>
> -- Christian
>
> Save Darfur -- http://www.savedarfur.org/
> World Vision (Darfur) --
http://donate.wvus.org/OA_HTML/xxwvibeCCtpItmDspRte.jsp?section 025&item72182
> ICC (Sudan) -- http://www.persecution.org/Countries/sudan.html
Pretty much. To be honest I only check the SG of my batteries a few
times a year. OTOH I check the voltage of of the bank 3 - 4 times a day
as well as the charge going in and every morning I check the previous
days consumption. It's just a push of a button so it is easy. Small
problems don't get a chance to become big problems.
Posted by Vaughn on July 12, 2005, 6:19 am
> Pretty much. To be honest I only check the SG of my batteries a few times a
> year. OTOH I check the voltage of of the bank 3 - 4 times a day as well as the
> charge going in and every morning I check the previous days consumption. It's
> just a push of a button so it is easy. Small problems don't get a chance to
> become big problems.
I am worse than that. I check my AGM batteries with an automotive load
checker every year just before storm season. I look at the display lights on my
charge controller when I happen to be out there. Because of the design of my
controller, as long as my yard lights keep coming on every night, I know that my
battery must have an adequate charge.
It has worked for me so far.
Vaughn
> >
> >
> >SQLit wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hi all,
> >>>
> >>>I live in rural eastern New Mexico. High winds combined with fragile
> >>>transmission systems create occassional power outages.
> >>>
> >>>I want to put together a simple, inexpensive emergency power supply
> >>>and want some suggestions.
> >>>
> >>>Here's what I have in mind...
> >>>
> >>>12V battery (standard, eventually deep-cycle)
> >>>120V power inverter (I replaced the low-battery buzzer w/ an LED
> >>>light)
> >>>Small 12V solar panel for recharging
> >>>120V Fluorecent light (to provide light w/ minimum power drain)
> >>>Wooden box (to tie everything together)
> >>>
> >>>Anything else I need in the way of gauges (I really don't care if the
> >>>battery goes dead while I'm using it) or regulators? This is going to
> >>>be very light duty.
> >>>
> >>>Maybe there are some websites that could give me some pointers.
> >>>
> >>>Thanks!
> >>>
> >>>-- Christian
> >>
> >>
> >> Informational purposes you can try the Costco web site they sell