Posted by Phil on October 1, 2004, 4:25 pm
Need a small amout of power at a remote site. Approximately 800 watt
hours per week only in the summer. Approximately 300 watt hours on
Saturday and another 300 on Sunday. Less than 1A max current at
120VAC. Almost all of the power usage will be mid day. Economics is an
issue, I'd like some recommendations on a PV panel, charge controller,
12V battery. I was planning on using a cheap inverter, as the usage is
for low current motors.
How about this charge controller:
http://www.solar-electric.com/ss-10.html
A 12VDC deep cycle battery from Walmart can be picked up on sale for
under $60.
Phil
Posted by Richard on October 1, 2004, 9:43 pm
Hi Phil,
Those Morningstar SunSaver pwm charge controllers supposedly work very well,
according to one cabin
owner I know who has one. I have to upgrade my cheapie charge controller soon
and i'm eyeing one of
those myself. I'd prefer an MPPT charge controller but I don't quite have a big
enough system to
reap its benefits nor can I quite afford one just yet. But one suggestion is to
go up a model and
get one with the low voltage disconnect. That added feature helps preserve the
life expectancy of
your batteries by preventing them from being discharged too far. An automatic
charge equalization
feature is another good thing to have, but of course it depends on how much you
want to spend and
how important it is to you to have a well maintained battery bank. I think the
term is Risk/Reward
Return.
Since price is your main factor, I would start with a single 75 watt PV (you
might find it cheaper
to buy two 50 watt PV's), the charge controller you were looking at with the LVD
feature, and a
couple of 12 volt sealed AGM type batteries of at least 100 AHr @ 100 hr ratings
wired in parallel.
This way your batteries are being charged up thru the week, and you should have
enough to carry you
thru a weekend in case there isn't enough sun on the weekend to replenish your
battery bank.
This should get you started, but the beauty of PV is that it's totally modular.
You can always add
more PV's and/or batteries as you need them.
Personally i'd go for 6 volt deep cycle batteries (would have to do a price
comparison vs 12 volt
sealed) because they generally have more capacity in them and I don't mind
checking their fluid
levels periodically.
I hope this helped. Good luck with your future system. It's a good investment.
PS. At one time Siemens Solar used to make Cottage Kits of various sizes. A
nice box containing a
PV('s), pwm charge controller, PV mount, and some wire, all you needed was a
battery.
Posted by George Ghio on October 2, 2004, 8:00 am
wrote:
> Need a small amout of power at a remote site. Approximately 800 watt
> hours per week only in the summer. Approximately 300 watt hours on
> Saturday and another 300 on Sunday. Less than 1A max current at
> 120VAC. Almost all of the power usage will be mid day. Economics is an
> issue, I'd like some recommendations on a PV panel, charge controller,
> 12V battery. I was planning on using a cheap inverter, as the usage is
> for low current motors.
>
> How about this charge controller:
> http://www.solar-electric.com/ss-10.html
>
> A 12VDC deep cycle battery from Walmart can be picked up on sale for
> under $60.
>
> Phil
>
SYSTEM SIZING SYS. VOLTS BATT. V
PHOTO VOLTAIC 12 12
240 VOLT WATT HOURS PER DAY 800 W HOURS
INVERTER EFFICIENCY 0.9
ACCOUNT FOR INVERTER INEFFIENCY 888.88 W HOURS
12 VOLT WATT HOURS PER DAY 0 W HOURS
SYSETM VOLTAGE 12 VOLTS
TOTAL Ah DEMAND PER DAY 74.07 A HOURS
BATTERY SIZING
NUMBER OF DAYS AUTONOMY 5
MAX. ALLOWABLE DEPTH OF DISCHARGE 0.7
BATTERY CAPACITY 529.10 A HOURS
LOWEST 24 Hr AVERAGE TEMPERATURE 5 DEGREES
TEMPERATURE CORRECTION FACTOR 0.88
ADJ. BATTERY CAPACITY 601.25 A HOURS
SELECTED BATTERY
SELECTED BATTERY DISCHARGE RATE 120 HOURS
Ah CAPACITY SELECTED BATTERY 600 A HOURS
NUMBER OF BATTERIES IN PARALLEL 1
NUMBER OF BATTERIES IN SERIES 1
CAPACITY BATT. BANK 120 Hr RATE 600 A HOURS
DAILY DEPTH OF DISCHARGE 12.34 %
SUITABILTY OF SELECTED BATTERIES YES YES/NO
PHOTOVOLTAIC ARRAY SIZING
DESIGN TILT 60 DEGREES
DESIGN MONTH JUNE
TOTAL ENERGY DEMAND PER DAY 74.07 A HOURS
BATTERY EFFICIENCY 0.9
ARRAY OUTPUT REQUIRED PER DAY 82.304 A HOURS
PEAK SUN HOURS FOR TILT/MONTH 4.5
SELECTED MODULE
SELECTED MODULE I AT 14 V NOCT 4.5 AMPS
SELECTED MODULE NOMINAL VOLTAGE 12 VOLTS
GUARANTEED CURRENT 4.05 AMPS
NUMBER OF MODULES IN SERIES 1 MODULES
OUTPUT PER MODULE 18.22 A HOURS
NUMBER OF PARALLEL STRINGS 4.51 STRINGS
This will not match exactly but should give you some idea of what you
are looking at.
Days of autonomy is set at five in this example and may be increased or
decreased as conditions warrant.
George
Posted by Phil on October 2, 2004, 11:39 am
George
I am a little confused, if my max draw is 300 watts per day, why do I need so
much capacity?
Thanks,
Phil
George Ghio wrote:
> wrote:
> > Need a small amout of power at a remote site. Approximately 800 watt
> > hours per week only in the summer. Approximately 300 watt hours on
> > Saturday and another 300 on Sunday. Less than 1A max current at
> > 120VAC. Almost all of the power usage will be mid day. Economics is an
> > issue, I'd like some recommendations on a PV panel, charge controller,
> > 12V battery. I was planning on using a cheap inverter, as the usage is
> > for low current motors.
> >
> > How about this charge controller:
> > http://www.solar-electric.com/ss-10.html
> >
> > A 12VDC deep cycle battery from Walmart can be picked up on sale for
> > under $60.
> >
> > Phil
> >
> SYSTEM SIZING SYS. VOLTS BATT. V
> PHOTO VOLTAIC 12 12
> 240 VOLT WATT HOURS PER DAY 800 W HOURS
> INVERTER EFFICIENCY 0.9
> ACCOUNT FOR INVERTER INEFFIENCY 888.88 W HOURS
> 12 VOLT WATT HOURS PER DAY 0 W HOURS
> SYSETM VOLTAGE 12 VOLTS
> TOTAL Ah DEMAND PER DAY 74.07 A HOURS
> BATTERY SIZING
> NUMBER OF DAYS AUTONOMY 5
> MAX. ALLOWABLE DEPTH OF DISCHARGE 0.7
> BATTERY CAPACITY 529.10 A HOURS
> LOWEST 24 Hr AVERAGE TEMPERATURE 5 DEGREES
> TEMPERATURE CORRECTION FACTOR 0.88
> ADJ. BATTERY CAPACITY 601.25 A HOURS
> SELECTED BATTERY
> SELECTED BATTERY DISCHARGE RATE 120 HOURS
> Ah CAPACITY SELECTED BATTERY 600 A HOURS
> NUMBER OF BATTERIES IN PARALLEL 1
> NUMBER OF BATTERIES IN SERIES 1
> CAPACITY BATT. BANK 120 Hr RATE 600 A HOURS
> DAILY DEPTH OF DISCHARGE 12.34 %
> SUITABILTY OF SELECTED BATTERIES YES YES/NO
> PHOTOVOLTAIC ARRAY SIZING
> DESIGN TILT 60 DEGREES
> DESIGN MONTH JUNE
> TOTAL ENERGY DEMAND PER DAY 74.07 A HOURS
> BATTERY EFFICIENCY 0.9
> ARRAY OUTPUT REQUIRED PER DAY 82.304 A HOURS
> PEAK SUN HOURS FOR TILT/MONTH 4.5
> SELECTED MODULE
> SELECTED MODULE I AT 14 V NOCT 4.5 AMPS
> SELECTED MODULE NOMINAL VOLTAGE 12 VOLTS
> GUARANTEED CURRENT 4.05 AMPS
> NUMBER OF MODULES IN SERIES 1 MODULES
> OUTPUT PER MODULE 18.22 A HOURS
> NUMBER OF PARALLEL STRINGS 4.51 STRINGS
> This will not match exactly but should give you some idea of what you
> are looking at.
> Days of autonomy is set at five in this example and may be increased or
> decreased as conditions warrant.
> George
Posted by Steve Spence on October 2, 2004, 2:21 pm
You don't. You just met "The Solar Consultant" .....
> George
> I am a little confused, if my max draw is 300 watts per day, why do I
need so
> much capacity?
> Thanks,
> Phil
> George Ghio wrote:
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Need a small amout of power at a remote site. Approximately 800 watt
> > > hours per week only in the summer. Approximately 300 watt hours on
> > > Saturday and another 300 on Sunday. Less than 1A max current at
> > > 120VAC. Almost all of the power usage will be mid day. Economics is
an
> > > issue, I'd like some recommendations on a PV panel, charge controller,
> > > 12V battery. I was planning on using a cheap inverter, as the usage
is
> > > for low current motors.
> > >
> > > How about this charge controller:
> > > http://www.solar-electric.com/ss-10.html
> > >
> > > A 12VDC deep cycle battery from Walmart can be picked up on sale for
> > > under $60.
> > >
> > > Phil
> > >
> >
> > SYSTEM SIZING SYS. VOLTS BATT. V
> > PHOTO VOLTAIC 12 12
> > 240 VOLT WATT HOURS PER DAY 800 W HOURS
> > INVERTER EFFICIENCY 0.9
> > ACCOUNT FOR INVERTER INEFFIENCY 888.88 W HOURS
> > 12 VOLT WATT HOURS PER DAY 0 W HOURS
> > SYSETM VOLTAGE 12 VOLTS
> > TOTAL Ah DEMAND PER DAY 74.07 A HOURS
> > BATTERY SIZING
> > NUMBER OF DAYS AUTONOMY 5
> > MAX. ALLOWABLE DEPTH OF DISCHARGE 0.7
> > BATTERY CAPACITY 529.10 A HOURS
> > LOWEST 24 Hr AVERAGE TEMPERATURE 5 DEGREES
> > TEMPERATURE CORRECTION FACTOR 0.88
> > ADJ. BATTERY CAPACITY 601.25 A HOURS
> > SELECTED BATTERY
> > SELECTED BATTERY DISCHARGE RATE 120 HOURS
> > Ah CAPACITY SELECTED BATTERY 600 A HOURS
> > NUMBER OF BATTERIES IN PARALLEL 1
> > NUMBER OF BATTERIES IN SERIES 1
> > CAPACITY BATT. BANK 120 Hr RATE 600 A HOURS
> > DAILY DEPTH OF DISCHARGE 12.34 %
> > SUITABILTY OF SELECTED BATTERIES YES YES/NO
> > PHOTOVOLTAIC ARRAY SIZING
> > DESIGN TILT 60 DEGREES
> > DESIGN MONTH JUNE
> > TOTAL ENERGY DEMAND PER DAY 74.07 A HOURS
> > BATTERY EFFICIENCY 0.9
> > ARRAY OUTPUT REQUIRED PER DAY 82.304 A HOURS
> > PEAK SUN HOURS FOR TILT/MONTH 4.5
> > SELECTED MODULE
> > SELECTED MODULE I AT 14 V NOCT 4.5 AMPS
> > SELECTED MODULE NOMINAL VOLTAGE 12 VOLTS
> > GUARANTEED CURRENT 4.05 AMPS
> > NUMBER OF MODULES IN SERIES 1 MODULES
> > OUTPUT PER MODULE 18.22 A HOURS
> > NUMBER OF PARALLEL STRINGS 4.51 STRINGS
> >
> > This will not match exactly but should give you some idea of what you
> > are looking at.
> >
> > Days of autonomy is set at five in this example and may be increased or
> > decreased as conditions warrant.
> >
> > George
> hours per week only in the summer. Approximately 300 watt hours on
> Saturday and another 300 on Sunday. Less than 1A max current at
> 120VAC. Almost all of the power usage will be mid day. Economics is an
> issue, I'd like some recommendations on a PV panel, charge controller,
> 12V battery. I was planning on using a cheap inverter, as the usage is
> for low current motors.
>
> How about this charge controller:
> http://www.solar-electric.com/ss-10.html
>
> A 12VDC deep cycle battery from Walmart can be picked up on sale for
> under $60.
>
> Phil
>