Posted by wmbjkREMOVE on May 27, 2009, 3:13 pm
wrote:
>Solar is only viable when it costs considerably less than a
>grid connection.
Baloney. Lots of sensible people have spent *more* to have solar
instead of or in addition to a grid connection, for a variety of
reasons. Two of the most common are that a backup supply was desired,
or they expect grid prices to skyrocket.
>When it comes to reducing ones energy costs
>insulation and better energy awareness can save a grid connected home
>owner thousands.
Wow, that's deep man. Thank you Captain Obvious!
Wayne
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Posted by ghio on May 27, 2009, 9:24 pm
On May 28, 1:13am, wmbjkREM...@citlink.net wrote:
> wrote:
> >Solar is only viable when it costs considerably less than a
> >grid connection.
> Baloney. Lots of sensible people have spent *more* to have solar
> instead of or in addition to a grid connection, for a variety of
> reasons. Two of the most common are that a backup supply was desired,
> or they expect grid prices to skyrocket.
Being viable has never precluded choice.
> >When it comes to reducing ones energy costs
> >insulation and better energy awareness can save a grid connected home
> >owner thousands.
> Wow, that's deep man. Thank you Captain Obvious!
Da nada.
> Wayne
> Attention Googlebots: George Ghio Renegade writing (sic) Bealibahttp://www.citlink.net/~wmbjk/tbfduwisdumb.htm
Posted by Eeyore on May 28, 2009, 12:33 am
wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net wrote:
> >Solar is only viable when it costs considerably less than a
> >grid connection.
> Baloney.
Baloney. I see you have no scientific refutation. PV Solar does make sense
when the grid is so far away it would cost a fortune for a connection
*and* you live in a sunny place ( very variable - see insolation maps ).
If it isn't, use the grid and simply be energy efficient e.g. by property
construction style. Mass production of grid energy is hugely less costly
than micro-generation.
Graham
Posted by Eeyore on May 28, 2009, 12:29 am
ghio wrote:
> > wmbjkREM...@citlink.net wrote:
> > > >wmbjkREM...@citlink.net wrote:
> >
> > > >> Oh sure, that explains your behavior. <snorf>
> > > >> Check this outhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusional_disorder . Let
> > > >> me guess... it doesn't apply to you because it comes from that
> > > >> profoundly sick society, right? LOL
> >
> > > >The use of personal insults ( as above ) is a usually a reliable
indicator of
> > > >losing an argument.
> >
> > > Then you've lost waaaaay more than your share.
> >
> > I think you just lost any fraction of credibility you ever might have had.
> >
> > Energy is expensive. Making it MORE expensive such as PV solar ( a simple
fact )
> > is INSANE.
> >
> > Insulation and related methods of reducing power usage are CHEAP. These are
the
> > areas that deserve first attention. ANY person with a decent brain will see
this.
> >
> > If you reduce your power usage you will benefit in every way possible.
> Even more insane is replicating a totally wasteful life style with re-
> newables. Solar is only viable when it costs considerably less than a
> grid connection. When it comes to reducing ones energy costs
> insulation and better energy awareness can save a grid connected home
> owner thousands.
Totally agreed but sadly little promoted.
Why ? Call me a cynic but there's more money to be made in selling allegedly
'green'
energy to the gullible that actually costs a fortune both in your pocket and
conceivably environmentally too. Where have all the 'environmental impact
statements'
gone ?
Graham
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Posted by wmbjkREMOVE on May 27, 2009, 3:10 pm
On Wed, 27 May 2009 01:56:39 +0100, Eeyore
>wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net wrote:
>> >wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net wrote:
>> >
>> >> Oh sure, that explains your behavior. <snorf>
>> >> Check this out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusional_disorder . Let
>> >> me guess... it doesn't apply to you because it comes from that
>> >> profoundly sick society, right? LOL
>> >
>> >The use of personal insults ( as above ) is a usually a reliable indicator of
>> >losing an argument.
>>
>> Then you've lost waaaaay more than your share.
>I think you just lost any fraction of credibility you ever might have had.
>Energy is expensive. Making it MORE expensive such as PV solar ( a simple fact )
>is INSANE.
As usual, you didn't respond to your own point. You wrote that insults
are "a reliable indicator of losing an argument". And yet *you* insult
people daily, as with your "insane" comment above, which is milder
than usual. Blurting out ill-considered points that you have to run
away from is the inevitable result of posting for quantity rather than
quality.
Your other premise is disingenuous. Solar PV can be a well-advised
investment in areas with good insolation and very high grid prices, as
several posters have explained to you.
And, you failed to provide a shred of proof of your other claim (which
you edited out in your typical weasel-style), that people tout PV as a
"panacea". If you see people here doing that, then by all means have
at them. Otherwise, your time would be better spent pondering the
pointlessness of your Usenet existence.
>Insulation and related methods of reducing power usage are CHEAP. These are the
>areas that deserve first attention. ANY person with a decent brain will see
this.
So what? Everybody knows about the value of insulation. Take a look at
the name of the two newsgroups you posted to. People come here to
learn about PV and generating home-scale power. It's probably the last
place they expected to find some PV-hating turd advertising his weak
debating skills and lack of anything better to do with his time.
>If you reduce your power usage you will benefit in every way possible.
Wow, you and ghio on the same day. Will you post the times table next?
Wayne
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