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Posted by Scott on May 17, 2009, 2:26 am
On Sat, 16 May 2009 16:40:27 +0100, in alt.energy.homepower, Eeyore

But for those without grid?  I live in a part of the world where running
water is scarce and wind is spotty.  But there's lots of sunlight, average
insolation is nearly 5h/day here.  But it's the luck of the draw.  If you
live someplace with lousy insolation, you might not see the value in PV.

Posted by Eeyore on May 17, 2009, 11:45 am

Scott wrote:

See above. With no grid electricity then it makes sense. Trying to *replace*
grid energy with PV solar is about as 'un-green' as it gets.


Posted by ghio on May 17, 2009, 12:27 pm

While Graham sees solar as absurdly expensive and inefficient way to
electricity for those with grid electricity available. He fails to
accept that the cost of an "Available" grid connection may not be cost

Back in 1986 grid connection was "Available" to me for a mere $6,000.
Some years later a customer of mine found that a grid connection was
"Available" for a bargain price of $8,000.

Availability of a grid connection is largely a moot point. The price
is the determining factor.
I mean really, which would you rather pay;
$6,000 for an "Available" grid connection vs $0,000 for an - for an
easy to design and install solar system.
Or perhaps $8,000 for an "Available" grid connection vs $2,000 for
an - for an easy to design and install solar system.

Perhaps Graham would like to point out the benefits of the "Available"
grid connection as opposed to the actual cash advantage of between
$6,000 and $6,000.

Posted by wmbjkREMOVE on May 18, 2009, 2:04 pm

Using the same logic, you could buy a Gulfstream at any time. The fact
is that you couldn't afford a grid connection when you started, and
you can't afford it now. It was camping-level solar combined with a
lot of fuel burning, or nothing at all. What's the point in pretending

If the only way you could afford proper batteries was to borrow the
money, and you weren't willing or qualified to do so, then why talk as
though you did buy them, or could have bought them?

Fair enough. But your original setup was entirely unsatisfactory, and
your present one isn't much better. Neither is comparable in any way
to a grid connection, so why are you using them that way? Particularly
since you're including the benefits of $000 batteries that you never
had and could never have had. In fact, in your case where the grid was
relatively close by, and even though you were willing to do without
far more than most, there's likely a good case to be made that the
grid would have been a better investment in the long run, even if you
had to borrow the money (assuming that was even possible) to make it

You've complained multiple times that you lost business to other
"power consultants" who work out of the pub, and it's clear that you
resent it. It's hard to imagine why you believe that it helps your
case, but carry on.


PS  For the google bots - George Ghio, Renegade writing (sic), Bealiba

Posted by ghio on May 18, 2009, 11:39 pm
 On May 19, 12:04am, wmbjkREM...@citlink.net wrote:

There is a difference between not being able to afford something and
not being willing to pay the offered price.

Again you fantasies run away with you. My first set of batteries
were , at the time, very good batteries. I killed them. Yes it's true.
I bought second hand batteries to replace them, also good quality but
old. Times were getting pretty hard by then.

Actually my first system is still running and still meets it
$,000 would replace my current set by the time they need to be
replaced, the price when I bought them was a bit over 3k. Paid cash.
On the question of borrowing, have you ever heard of equity. Think
100% equity.

No. I said that most of my work was generated by fools like you giving
advice. Still get work from that source today.

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