Posted by Eeyore on August 13, 2008, 4:50 pm
Ron Rosenfeld wrote:
> "SteveC" wrote:
> >Hey Ron, thanks for the insight and suggestions, good info.
> >I live in Torbay, Newfoundland, just outside St. John's.
> >47º37'56"N
> >52º43'33"W
> >
> >I plan on using the Outside 26w CFL Flood light from Sunset to sunrise and
> >the other lights/radio, couple hours a day, if that. Mostly in the summer
> >months, but definitely 2 days a week in the winter months. We get a lot of
> >sunshine in the winter, except when it snows!! LOL
> There is clearly insufficient energy to power your outside floodlight
> sunrise to sunset 365 days/year.
> Your area has a duration of sunset-sunrise rangeing from 15.5 hrs during
> the winter down to 8 hours in the summer. If you are going to run this
> outside flood year round, and if it were a DC bulb (so no inverter losses),
> it would consume about 51 kWh/yr.
> Your PV array would actually put out a bit more than that on an annual
> basis.
I doubt it. Those 8 or 15 hours aren't at max insolation.
Here's the important data.
https://glfc.cfsnet.nfis.org/mapserver/pv/municip.php?n&19&NEK=e
And we need ....
Mean daily global insolation (kWh/m2) which we can see from the last chart is
2.5 kWh /m2 of sunlight daily averaged over a whole year or 1.7kWh/m2 in
December
A 54W solar panel is likely to be about 0.3m2 at typical modern efficiencies of
15%. The winter insolation output on that panel will therefore be 0.3m2 * 1.7kWh
* 15% which amounts to 76.5 Wh per day in winter.
Therefore it would run a 26W fitting for about 3 hours daily neglecting other
losses.
Simple facts and figures ! Solar is NOT the way for high latitudes. It's even
questionable at the equator.
Graham
Posted by Ron Rosenfeld on August 14, 2008, 9:59 am
On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:50:09 +0100, Eeyore
>I doubt it. Those 8 or 15 hours aren't at max insolation.
>Here's the important data.
>https://glfc.cfsnet.nfis.org/mapserver/pv/municip.php?n&19&NEK=e
>And we need ....
>Mean daily global insolation (kWh/m2) which we can see from the last chart is
>2.5 kWh /m2 of sunlight daily averaged over a whole year or 1.7kWh/m2 in
>December
>A 54W solar panel is likely to be about 0.3m2 at typical modern efficiencies of
>15%. The winter insolation output on that panel will therefore be 0.3m2 * 1.7kWh
>* 15% which amounts to 76.5 Wh per day in winter.
>Therefore it would run a 26W fitting for about 3 hours daily neglecting other
>losses.
>Simple facts and figures ! Solar is NOT the way for high latitudes. It's even
>questionable at the equator.
>Graham
I used the same data source.
Not that it is at all relevant to the adviseability of the system, but I
think you may be looking at the wrong column.
The column that shows 2.5 is for a solar panel tilted at 90°. In other
words, on a building wall.
I was using the column for the panel tilted at latitude, which gives a
yearly insolation of 3.4.
I derated the panel to 90% so used 3.4*54*.9*365/1000 = 60 kWh/yr. Actually
the simulations I ran showed a bit less. Still, as I wrote, slightly more
than that required by the one bulb on an "annual" basis.
For the light bulb run time, I used a generated table of sunrise-sunset
times from an astronomic program to obtain the yearly consumption of 51 kWh
per year.
As you point out, this system won't work year round in NF. So the OP is
either going to have to spend more money, or revise his usage estimates.
As to whether or where solar PV might or might not be practical, I believe
the relevant consideration is the cost of alternatives, and not necessarily
the location. Examining only personal economic motives, I would be looking
at cost of grid extension; availability of solar/wind/hydro resources; cost
of fossil fuel sources and generators; maintenance; etc.
Even in my location, if my electrical usage were, for example, 5 KWh/day
during the worst month, solar would be less expensive than the
alternatives, including grid extension.
--ron
Posted by Eeyore on August 13, 2008, 3:57 am
Ron Rosenfeld wrote:
> If these are AC lamps, you need to run them through an inverter.
You can actually get 12V DC CFLs these days but the power tools are another
matter.
Graham
Posted by DG on August 12, 2008, 10:24 pm
>To answer some questions, here goes.
>Mostly 1 13w cfl light bulb, maybe (2) 4 FT fouorescent lights when extra
>light is needed and maybe a drill or saw sometimes, but very rarely. If I
>need more power then I will run an extension cord from the house.
>Also a 26 watt flood light over the front of the shed. More or less, that's
>about it. Maybe a small radio for a couple hours a day.
>I will have a solar furnace for heat, so that's not an issue. Shed is
>Insulated.
>I live in Newfoundland, Canada, not a lot of sun, but enough.
>Here is a link for the Solar Kit.
>http://www.costco.ca/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid 306972&search=solar&MoD&Ntx=mode%20matchallpartial&lang=en-CA&Nr=P_CatalogName:BCCA&N=0&whse¼CA&Dx=mode%20matchallpartial&Ntk=Text_Search&Dr=P_CatalogName:BCCA&Ne@00000&D=solar&Ntt=solar&No=0&s=1&Sp=S&topnav=&Nty=1
>Steve
Why not just use solar tubes for light?
-= http://www.flickr.com/photos/rosepetal236/ =-
Posted by DG on August 13, 2008, 12:05 am
>Ok, you stumped me, what are Solar Tubes?
I'd bet there are many brands but here is one:
http://www.solatube.com/homeowner/productcatalog.php
-= http://www.flickr.com/photos/rosepetal236/ =-
> >Hey Ron, thanks for the insight and suggestions, good info.
> >I live in Torbay, Newfoundland, just outside St. John's.
> >47º37'56"N
> >52º43'33"W
> >
> >I plan on using the Outside 26w CFL Flood light from Sunset to sunrise and
> >the other lights/radio, couple hours a day, if that. Mostly in the summer
> >months, but definitely 2 days a week in the winter months. We get a lot of
> >sunshine in the winter, except when it snows!! LOL
> There is clearly insufficient energy to power your outside floodlight
> sunrise to sunset 365 days/year.
> Your area has a duration of sunset-sunrise rangeing from 15.5 hrs during
> the winter down to 8 hours in the summer. If you are going to run this
> outside flood year round, and if it were a DC bulb (so no inverter losses),
> it would consume about 51 kWh/yr.
> Your PV array would actually put out a bit more than that on an annual
> basis.