Posted by New_idea on October 12, 2009, 2:13 am
And the power that produces your bogus gas comes from your Gasoline. It
isn't free. You really believe your battery has endless power by itself?
In my first post, i already said that “use wind turbine to generate
electricity and than use the electricity to electrolysis water to get
hydrogen and than pump/compress the hydrogen into the gas tank.”
That is how you can blend hydrogen with CNG to run our car.
You want to distort my original idea, i can't do anything.
There is a project by Idaho National Laboratory under U.S Department of
Energy that do experiment of running vehicle with “Hydrogen+Natural gas
mixture”
http://avt.inel.gov/hydrogen.html
Posted by Charlie E. on October 12, 2009, 8:13 pm
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:13:33 +0800, "New_idea"
>And the power that produces your bogus gas comes from your Gasoline. It
>isn't free. You really believe your battery has endless power by itself?
>In my first post, i already said that “use wind turbine to generate
>electricity and than use the electricity to electrolysis water to get
>hydrogen and than pump/compress the hydrogen into the gas tank.”
>That is how you can blend hydrogen with CNG to run our car.
>You want to distort my original idea, i can't do anything.
>There is a project by Idaho National Laboratory under U.S Department of
>Energy that do experiment of running vehicle with “Hydrogen+Natural gas
>mixture”
>http://avt.inel.gov/hydrogen.html
Ok, lets take a look at this.
First, you have a $0K wind turbine generating electricity. (That
means, a really SMALL one! A house requires more like a $0K
turbine...) Now, you take that perfectly good electricity, waste 30%
of it, and generate hydrogen. You pump and compress it (taking up
another 10-20% of energy) and put it in an internal combustion engine
designed for natural gas. You use it to displace, asy 20% of the
natural gas used by this engine.
So, lets simply compare the costs of the hydrogen vs. the cost of the
natural gas it is replacing. The natural gas probably costs less than
$0 per fill up. Your wind system with the turbine, electrolyzer (by
the way, have you priced these?) pumps, compressors and other
equipment actually cost around $5K, so just the interest on these is
$00 a year. Assuming a 10 year life (if you are lucky!) then the
cost per year is $100. Yes, I am being very, very optimistic on
these prices. Reality is probably 2-10 times worse! so, if you
normally fill up weekly, you get:
Pure natural gas
$0 per fill up
52 fill ups
$600 a year
Now, you hydrogen system is to defer 20% of this, so your system is
natural gas
$0 per fill up
52 fill ups
$000 per year
$100 per year for hydrogen
$100 per year for your hydrogen scheme.
I, personnally, don't have an extra $500 a year to play with
hydrogen. Do you?
You are better off using the wind system to charge batteries, and buy
an electric vehicle by an order of magnitude!
Charlie
Posted by New_idea on October 12, 2009, 2:45 am
>> That's exact how many times I tried, you are still in your denial. Yours
>> is not practical and it has no longivity in its usage. It doesn't boost
>> your MPG, you are making extremely light gas, >I am using propane Gas
>> right now and I see it doesn't boost as much as real Gasoline. I can
>> shut the PG off to see how much difference, your Water Electrolysis is
>> far from Propane's >power. It's nothing but a scam!
>>
> And the power that produces your bogus gas comes from your Gasoline. It
> isn't free. You really believe your battery has endless power by itself?
> Why don't you prove this to yourself >>> unhook the Field line of your
> alternator(1 wire), and your car will stop running in 15 minutes or it
> will be so sluggish. That proves electricity power from your alternator
> comes from >your Gasoline, you pay for it, so you pay to electrolyze your
> dirty water. Quit believing in Free power, there isn't one.
There is a project by Idaho National Laboratory under U.S Department of
Energy that do experiment of running vehicle with “Hydrogen+Natural gas
mixture” or even 100% hydrogen.
http://avt.inel.gov/hydrogen.html
It is a good idea if we can use hydrogen to run our (internal combustion)
car by just a few thousand dollars modification on our car.
The question is where to you get hydrogen gas?
One way is to use electricity to electrolysis water, and the electricity can
come from renewable source (wind,solar,hydro power plants)
Some people might said "oh it is a lot cheaper to produce hydrogen from
fossil fuel"
but than you if you do that you still depend on fossil fuel to power you
vehicle!
My point is: stop using fossil fuel to power our vehicle.
If the hydrogen produced by electrolysis process is very expensive, we can
find ways to reduce the cost.
If the electrolysis process I mention in my earlier posting is no good.
If there are other negative effect from this electrolysis process
we can find a better way to electrolysis the water and find ways to improve
it efficiency and find a better ways to do electrolysis so that it will not
produce negative effect ,
example this website talk about adding a small amount of said sulfuric to
the water to increase the efficiency
http://miniscience.com/projects/WaterElectrolise.htm
That is why the scientist needs to do research and development.
Posted by Jim Wilkins on October 12, 2009, 2:04 pm
Or we could use the wind-generated electricity to charge the batteries
of a hybrid and avoid the homebrew chemical engineering, insurance and
waste disposal issues, the ones that bog down small-scale use of many
good ideas.
Just for fun, shop around for stainless steel tanks and plumbing. All
I can find is scrap pipe and sheet metal that I can weld into tubes
and rectangular box shapes, but not pressure vessels even to hold
water-mains pressure. If you DO find a used industrial pressure
vessel, how do you decontaminate it?
jsw
Posted by MooseFET on October 12, 2009, 2:41 pm
> Or we could use the wind-generated electricity to charge the batteries
> of a hybrid and avoid the homebrew chemical engineering, insurance and
> waste disposal issues, the ones that bog down small-scale use of many
> good ideas.
> Just for fun, shop around for stainless steel tanks and plumbing. All
> I can find is scrap pipe and sheet metal that I can weld into tubes
> and rectangular box shapes, but not pressure vessels even to hold
> water-mains pressure. If you DO find a used industrial pressure
> vessel, how do you decontaminate it?
Don't store hydrogen in steel. Unless you get the right kind, the
steel gets brittle.
>isn't free. You really believe your battery has endless power by itself?
>In my first post, i already said that “use wind turbine to generate
>electricity and than use the electricity to electrolysis water to get
>hydrogen and than pump/compress the hydrogen into the gas tank.”
>That is how you can blend hydrogen with CNG to run our car.
>You want to distort my original idea, i can't do anything.
>There is a project by Idaho National Laboratory under U.S Department of
>Energy that do experiment of running vehicle with “Hydrogen+Natural gas
>mixture”
>http://avt.inel.gov/hydrogen.html