Posted by Neon John on December 8, 2008, 3:52 am
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>//
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>> Well, in the case of my house's UPS, that's 24 volts at 1000 amp-hours.
>that is (assuming you can drain the last drop out of the battery)
>2.4KWhr - a perfectly valid emergency supply
You might want to check your decimal. It slipped a notch. Last time I
checked, 24 volts times 1 kilo-amp-hour is 24 kWh.
> I got
>> the 20 AGMs as a matched but used set as scrap from an AVS electric bus
>> battery pack.
>>
>and you have it bunded - ie it is in your cellar.
WTF is bunded. Yep, in my basement, sitting on concrete in two rows of 10
batteries in a series/parallel string. The manufacturer recommends regularly
discharging them to 80%. That's not a limit but a recommended DOD. Yes, these
are traction batteries and no, they're not standby batteries. I do take them
down that far every so often because that is the recommended treatment. In
normal use, I'd be hard pressed to take 'em down 25% before I need to run the
generator for cooking or water heating and thus power the 200 amp charger.
>& it is NOT the Heath Robinson brew suggested by the wiki article.
That guy was a total knucklehead, which is why I clipped his URL.
BTW, I have a book here dating from the 20s that instructs one on building
"pasteless batteries" using a process a bit more sophisticated but similar to
that guy's. this one involves several plates, separated by cedar wood spacers
and formed into battery plates by hooking an Edison lamp in series with the
110 volt DC lighting service. the Edison lamps were what? 4 watts or
something like that? Forming took several weeks according to the book.
>> Well, this whole thread is silly and those of us who can do simple math are
>> just funning around. Anyone who thinks that they're going to supply their
>> house with 20kWh of wind power on a daily basis cheaper than the utility power
>> is smoking something MIGHTY FINE!
>Oh yes? There's loads of idiots out there, including govt ministers
>and advisers and civil servants, who obviously cannot do the simple
>sums & do not think it is a silly idea. And they are right there in
>the middle of govt putting up all of our elec bills.
>The daft idea has got out that wind energy is 'free' and all you do is
>put up a fan, plug it into the mains and lie back whilst the cheques
>roll in. It is perhaps inexhaustable, but is it truly renewable? The
>expected life of a wind turbine is c.30years. Not very long as
>electrical generation infrastructure goes. Plus there is a large plug
>of expensive-energy-consumed concrete under it.
No energy source is actually renewable in the traditional meaning of the word.
Of course, this has become a religion and like in all religions, common
everyday words get twisted and distorted.
By any rational definition of "renewable", a breeder reactor is the MOST
renewable since it makes more fuel than it consumes. OH, did I use the word
"rational"? My bad.
John
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Posted by Tim Jackson on December 8, 2008, 5:02 am
Neon John wrote:
>> and you have it bunded - ie it is in your cellar.
>
> WTF is bunded.
Spill containment.
Tim Jackson
Posted by Andy Burns on December 8, 2008, 5:12 am
Tim Jackson wrote:
> Neon John wrote:
>
>>> and you have it bunded - ie it is in your cellar.
>>
>> WTF is bunded.
>
> Spill containment.
It's not as though the AGM (absorbent glass mat) batteries can spill,
they're common in UPSs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VRLA#Absorbent_glass_mat_.28AGM.29
Posted by Neon John on December 8, 2008, 1:52 pm
>Neon John wrote:
>>> and you have it bunded - ie it is in your cellar.
>>
>> WTF is bunded.
>Spill containment.
Never heard the term. I love this common language that separates us. :-)
To the OP, noooooo.... My batteries are not bunded. AGM batteries contain no
liquid and are classified by the DOT and FAA (highway and air authorities
respectively) as non-hazardous. Even if they were wet cells, I still would
not berm them (what we call it) and I can't think of an installation where
that's been done. If you've ever seen sulfuric acid and concrete go at each
other, you'd understand why. They don't just cuddle up and have an idle chat
:-)
John
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Posted by Huge on December 9, 2008, 5:08 am
> So - we use Hindi, and you use French. What was that about a common
> language?
You say zucchini and I say courgette, you say eggplant and I say aubergine ...
And so on.
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>>
>> Well, in the case of my house's UPS, that's 24 volts at 1000 amp-hours.
>that is (assuming you can drain the last drop out of the battery)
>2.4KWhr - a perfectly valid emergency supply