Posted by Eeyore on February 2, 2007, 6:31 pm
Jesse Spencer wrote:
> > ZERO!
> >
> > If you are not cooling your home, EVERY light bulb and appliance is
> > 100% efficient.
> If you need HEAT in the home then the savings is ZERO.
Not when another source of heat is a lot cheaper which it certainly is here by a
factor of about 3.
> Another problem with EE devices is also the base cost.
> Those CF bulbs cost at least 3x more than standard and some of that cost
> is most likely from the energy required to make them.
> Same true of other EE devices to varying degrees.
The 6 to 15 incandescent bulbs needed in the lifetime of a single CFL easily
exceed the cost of the CFL these days.
Graham
Posted by Jesse Spencer on February 6, 2007, 10:08 pm
Eeyore wrote:
>
> Jesse Spencer wrote:
>
>>> ZERO!
>>>
>>> If you are not cooling your home, EVERY light bulb and appliance is
>>> 100% efficient.
>> If you need HEAT in the home then the savings is ZERO.
>
> Not when another source of heat is a lot cheaper which it certainly is here by
a
> factor of about 3.
Well I heat a lot with free wood, so the CF certainly work out, but....
>
>
>> Another problem with EE devices is also the base cost.
>> Those CF bulbs cost at least 3x more than standard and some of that cost
>> is most likely from the energy required to make them.
>> Same true of other EE devices to varying degrees.
>
> The 6 to 15 incandescent bulbs needed in the lifetime of a single CFL easily
> exceed the cost of the CFL these days.
This absolutely hasn't been my experience.
4 of 20 of those expensive CF I bought lasted less than one year.
Still I think overall is a savings.
Posted by Eeyore on February 6, 2007, 11:01 pm
Jesse Spencer wrote:
> Eeyore wrote:
> > Jesse Spencer wrote:
> >
> >>> ZERO!
> >>>
> >>> If you are not cooling your home, EVERY light bulb and appliance is
> >>> 100% efficient.
> >> If you need HEAT in the home then the savings is ZERO.
> >
> > Not when another source of heat is a lot cheaper which it certainly is here
by a
> > factor of about 3.
> Well I heat a lot with free wood, so the CF certainly work out, but....
> >
> >
> >> Another problem with EE devices is also the base cost.
> >> Those CF bulbs cost at least 3x more than standard and some of that cost
> >> is most likely from the energy required to make them.
> >> Same true of other EE devices to varying degrees.
> >
> > The 6 to 15 incandescent bulbs needed in the lifetime of a single CFL easily
> > exceed the cost of the CFL these days.
> This absolutely hasn't been my experience.
> 4 of 20 of those expensive CF I bought lasted less than one year.
When did you buy them.
Some suffered the 'bad capacitors' fate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_capacitors
> Still I think overall is a savings.
I'm sure.
Graham
Posted by Derek Broughton on February 7, 2007, 8:37 am
Eeyore wrote:
> Jesse Spencer wrote:
>
>> Eeyore wrote:
>> > Jesse Spencer wrote:
>> >
>> > The 6 to 15 incandescent bulbs needed in the lifetime of a single CFL
>> > easily exceed the cost of the CFL these days.
>>
>> This absolutely hasn't been my experience.
>> 4 of 20 of those expensive CF I bought lasted less than one year.
>
> When did you buy them.
>
> Some suffered the 'bad capacitors' fate.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_capacitors
>
>> Still I think overall is a savings.
>
> I'm sure.
>
Yes, I've had early failures, particularly on the first CFs I bought, but
overall the CFs are still much cheaper to buy - and continually being more
so as their prices drop and reliability increases.
--
derek
Posted by Eeyore on February 7, 2007, 7:24 pm
Derek Broughton wrote:
> Eeyore wrote:
> > Jesse Spencer wrote:
> >> Eeyore wrote:
> >> > Jesse Spencer wrote:
> >> >
> >> > The 6 to 15 incandescent bulbs needed in the lifetime of a single CFL
> >> > easily exceed the cost of the CFL these days.
> >>
> >> This absolutely hasn't been my experience.
> >> 4 of 20 of those expensive CF I bought lasted less than one year.
> >
> > When did you buy them.
> >
> > Some suffered the 'bad capacitors' fate.
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_capacitors
> >
> >> Still I think overall is a savings.
> >
> > I'm sure.
> >
> Yes, I've had early failures, particularly on the first CFs I bought, but
> overall the CFs are still much cheaper to buy - and continually being more
> so as their prices drop and reliability increases.
You might be interested to know that the first CFLs I bought about 15 yrs ago
were among those with the longest lives I've ever had.
Graham
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> >
> > If you are not cooling your home, EVERY light bulb and appliance is
> > 100% efficient.
> If you need HEAT in the home then the savings is ZERO.