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Posted by Bill Ward on April 7, 2011, 8:00 pm
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 20:12:45 +0100, Giga2" <"Giga2 wrote:

So you would only use force on those who don't go along with your plan?  
You might want to rethink that, putting yourself in the place of the

Posted by Giga2 on April 8, 2011, 7:50 am

If you use force to try to break the law, i.e. not pay your taxes, then I
would say the state is perfectly entitled to use measured force against you.

Posted by Bill Ward on April 8, 2011, 3:39 pm
 On Fri, 08 Apr 2011 08:50:33 +0100, Giga2" <"Giga2 wrote:

Of course it is.  That's why the Constitution limits the power of Federal
government to only those enumerated, leaving all others to the states and

Government IS force. Remember that when proposing new areas of
regulation.  You could go to jail for using too much water flow in your
shower, even though you bought the water when it passed through the meter.

Or for using a 100W incandescent light bulb.  Or for using a toilet that
uses more than the approved amount of water for a flush...  Where does it

Posted by Giga2 on April 8, 2011, 7:17 pm

No, force is force, government can and does use force but it is not itself

That is not true in this country. Also the great thing in the UK is if I
don't like the laws here I am free to leave.

Posted by Bill Ward on April 8, 2011, 9:47 pm
 On Fri, 08 Apr 2011 20:17:27 +0100, Giga2" <"Giga2 wrote:

Without force, it's not a government, simply an advisory committee.

Are you sure?

Same here.  You can tell a lot about a country from which way the barbed
wire on the border fence points.

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