Posted by Peter Franks on April 6, 2011, 5:43 pm
On 4/6/2011 7:52 AM, Tom P wrote:
> On 04/05/2011 06:00 PM, m II wrote:
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>>>
>>> After exactly 8 weeks operation, our rooftop solar panel installation
>>> has just clocked up its first 500 kilowatt hours - a spectacular
>>> result for an installation in central Europe in winter.
>>> Specifications:
>>> - 17x Schuco MPE 185 MS 05 Blackline panels,
>>> total collector area 21.7 m2
>>> - Diehl 4300 TL grid feed-in inverter
>>>
>>
>> You obviously do not understand electrical units!
>>
>> Now other than your very obvious thread title displaying not knowing the
>> difference between power and energy... where did you get the ridiculous
>> idea you would ever "break even" on this investment?
>>
>> If you put out $1,000 for the materials and installation the lost
>> investment interest on that, alone would come to ( I am being kind.. I
>> average more like 9-10%)
>> $1000 x 5% = $50 per year.
>>
>> In your "15 year payback time", you bragged, the interest lost would
>> amount to $,250 (uncompounded even). In the time you take to
>> "break-even" you will have repair and probably be replacing some of
>> these panels with new ones. I doubt your grid-tie will survive the 15
>> years, especially with that poor quality European energy, it is attached
>> to.
>>
>> In short, until systems get a lot cheaper the payback time is "until
>> death do us part". Then it will cost your estate to have it removed.
>> BTW: In America you would be removing that system to sell your house
>> unless you want to deep discount it. Everybody wants one but to start
>> fresh with their own. This will change.
>>
>>
>> I have some swamp land to sell you in Florida. Absolutely no crocodiles,
>> guaranteed.
>>
>>
>>
>> mike
>>
>>
>>
> Investment 11690€ net
Gross?
Posted by Tom P on April 6, 2011, 6:48 pm
On 04/06/2011 07:43 PM, Peter Franks wrote:
> On 4/6/2011 7:52 AM, Tom P wrote:
>> On 04/05/2011 06:00 PM, m II wrote:
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>>>>
>>>> After exactly 8 weeks operation, our rooftop solar panel installation
>>>> has just clocked up its first 500 kilowatt hours - a spectacular
>>>> result for an installation in central Europe in winter.
>>>> Specifications:
>>>> - 17x Schuco MPE 185 MS 05 Blackline panels,
>>>> total collector area 21.7 m2
>>>> - Diehl 4300 TL grid feed-in inverter
>>>>
>>>
>>> You obviously do not understand electrical units!
>>>
>>> Now other than your very obvious thread title displaying not knowing the
>>> difference between power and energy... where did you get the ridiculous
>>> idea you would ever "break even" on this investment?
>>>
>>> If you put out $1,000 for the materials and installation the lost
>>> investment interest on that, alone would come to ( I am being kind.. I
>>> average more like 9-10%)
>>> $1000 x 5% = $50 per year.
>>>
>>> In your "15 year payback time", you bragged, the interest lost would
>>> amount to $,250 (uncompounded even). In the time you take to
>>> "break-even" you will have repair and probably be replacing some of
>>> these panels with new ones. I doubt your grid-tie will survive the 15
>>> years, especially with that poor quality European energy, it is attached
>>> to.
>>>
>>> In short, until systems get a lot cheaper the payback time is "until
>>> death do us part". Then it will cost your estate to have it removed.
>>> BTW: In America you would be removing that system to sell your house
>>> unless you want to deep discount it. Everybody wants one but to start
>>> fresh with their own. This will change.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have some swamp land to sell you in Florida. Absolutely no crocodiles,
>>> guaranteed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Investment 11690€ net
> Gross?
Alle angaben ohne MwSt
Posted by Peter Franks on April 6, 2011, 7:28 pm
On 4/6/2011 11:48 AM, Tom P wrote:
> On 04/06/2011 07:43 PM, Peter Franks wrote:
>> On 4/6/2011 7:52 AM, Tom P wrote:
>>> On 04/05/2011 06:00 PM, m II wrote:
>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> After exactly 8 weeks operation, our rooftop solar panel installation
>>>>> has just clocked up its first 500 kilowatt hours - a spectacular
>>>>> result for an installation in central Europe in winter.
>>>>> Specifications:
>>>>> - 17x Schuco MPE 185 MS 05 Blackline panels,
>>>>> total collector area 21.7 m2
>>>>> - Diehl 4300 TL grid feed-in inverter
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You obviously do not understand electrical units!
>>>>
>>>> Now other than your very obvious thread title displaying not knowing
>>>> the
>>>> difference between power and energy... where did you get the ridiculous
>>>> idea you would ever "break even" on this investment?
>>>>
>>>> If you put out $1,000 for the materials and installation the lost
>>>> investment interest on that, alone would come to ( I am being kind.. I
>>>> average more like 9-10%)
>>>> $1000 x 5% = $50 per year.
>>>>
>>>> In your "15 year payback time", you bragged, the interest lost would
>>>> amount to $,250 (uncompounded even). In the time you take to
>>>> "break-even" you will have repair and probably be replacing some of
>>>> these panels with new ones. I doubt your grid-tie will survive the 15
>>>> years, especially with that poor quality European energy, it is
>>>> attached
>>>> to.
>>>>
>>>> In short, until systems get a lot cheaper the payback time is "until
>>>> death do us part". Then it will cost your estate to have it removed.
>>>> BTW: In America you would be removing that system to sell your house
>>>> unless you want to deep discount it. Everybody wants one but to start
>>>> fresh with their own. This will change.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have some swamp land to sell you in Florida. Absolutely no
>>>> crocodiles,
>>>> guaranteed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Investment 11690€ net
>>
>> Gross?
> Alle angaben ohne MwSt
?!
All information without VAT
What's is hard about this? What was the gross cost?!
Posted by Tom P on April 6, 2011, 8:49 pm
On 04/06/2011 09:28 PM, Peter Franks wrote:
> On 4/6/2011 11:48 AM, Tom P wrote:
>> On 04/06/2011 07:43 PM, Peter Franks wrote:
>>> On 4/6/2011 7:52 AM, Tom P wrote:
>>>> On 04/05/2011 06:00 PM, m II wrote:
>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After exactly 8 weeks operation, our rooftop solar panel installation
>>>>>> has just clocked up its first 500 kilowatt hours - a spectacular
>>>>>> result for an installation in central Europe in winter.
>>>>>> Specifications:
>>>>>> - 17x Schuco MPE 185 MS 05 Blackline panels,
>>>>>> total collector area 21.7 m2
>>>>>> - Diehl 4300 TL grid feed-in inverter
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You obviously do not understand electrical units!
>>>>>
>>>>> Now other than your very obvious thread title displaying not knowing
>>>>> the
>>>>> difference between power and energy... where did you get the
>>>>> ridiculous
>>>>> idea you would ever "break even" on this investment?
>>>>>
>>>>> If you put out $1,000 for the materials and installation the lost
>>>>> investment interest on that, alone would come to ( I am being kind.. I
>>>>> average more like 9-10%)
>>>>> $1000 x 5% = $50 per year.
>>>>>
>>>>> In your "15 year payback time", you bragged, the interest lost would
>>>>> amount to $,250 (uncompounded even). In the time you take to
>>>>> "break-even" you will have repair and probably be replacing some of
>>>>> these panels with new ones. I doubt your grid-tie will survive the 15
>>>>> years, especially with that poor quality European energy, it is
>>>>> attached
>>>>> to.
>>>>>
>>>>> In short, until systems get a lot cheaper the payback time is "until
>>>>> death do us part". Then it will cost your estate to have it removed.
>>>>> BTW: In America you would be removing that system to sell your house
>>>>> unless you want to deep discount it. Everybody wants one but to start
>>>>> fresh with their own. This will change.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have some swamp land to sell you in Florida. Absolutely no
>>>>> crocodiles,
>>>>> guaranteed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Investment 11690€ net
>>>
>>> Gross?
>>
>> Alle angaben ohne MwSt
> ?!
> All information without VAT
> What's is hard about this? What was the gross cost?!
Just add 19%. But it's irrelevant. You're running a business,
everything's net. You claim back the VAT for the expenditure, and render
the VAT on the revenue.
Posted by Peter Franks on April 6, 2011, 10:37 pm
On 4/6/2011 1:49 PM, Tom P wrote:
> On 04/06/2011 09:28 PM, Peter Franks wrote:
>> On 4/6/2011 11:48 AM, Tom P wrote:
>>> On 04/06/2011 07:43 PM, Peter Franks wrote:
>>>> On 4/6/2011 7:52 AM, Tom P wrote:
>>>>> On 04/05/2011 06:00 PM, m II wrote:
>>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After exactly 8 weeks operation, our rooftop solar panel
>>>>>>> installation
>>>>>>> has just clocked up its first 500 kilowatt hours - a spectacular
>>>>>>> result for an installation in central Europe in winter.
>>>>>>> Specifications:
>>>>>>> - 17x Schuco MPE 185 MS 05 Blackline panels,
>>>>>>> total collector area 21.7 m2
>>>>>>> - Diehl 4300 TL grid feed-in inverter
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You obviously do not understand electrical units!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now other than your very obvious thread title displaying not knowing
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> difference between power and energy... where did you get the
>>>>>> ridiculous
>>>>>> idea you would ever "break even" on this investment?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you put out $1,000 for the materials and installation the lost
>>>>>> investment interest on that, alone would come to ( I am being
>>>>>> kind.. I
>>>>>> average more like 9-10%)
>>>>>> $1000 x 5% = $50 per year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In your "15 year payback time", you bragged, the interest lost would
>>>>>> amount to $,250 (uncompounded even). In the time you take to
>>>>>> "break-even" you will have repair and probably be replacing some of
>>>>>> these panels with new ones. I doubt your grid-tie will survive the 15
>>>>>> years, especially with that poor quality European energy, it is
>>>>>> attached
>>>>>> to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In short, until systems get a lot cheaper the payback time is "until
>>>>>> death do us part". Then it will cost your estate to have it removed.
>>>>>> BTW: In America you would be removing that system to sell your house
>>>>>> unless you want to deep discount it. Everybody wants one but to start
>>>>>> fresh with their own. This will change.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have some swamp land to sell you in Florida. Absolutely no
>>>>>> crocodiles,
>>>>>> guaranteed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Investment 11690€ net
>>>>
>>>> Gross?
>>>
>>> Alle angaben ohne MwSt
>>
>> ?!
>>
>> All information without VAT
>>
>> What's is hard about this? What was the gross cost?!
> Just add 19%. But it's irrelevant. You're running a business,
> everything's net. You claim back the VAT for the expenditure, and render
> the VAT on the revenue.
No subsidies?
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>>>
>>> After exactly 8 weeks operation, our rooftop solar panel installation
>>> has just clocked up its first 500 kilowatt hours - a spectacular
>>> result for an installation in central Europe in winter.
>>> Specifications:
>>> - 17x Schuco MPE 185 MS 05 Blackline panels,
>>> total collector area 21.7 m2
>>> - Diehl 4300 TL grid feed-in inverter
>>>
>>
>> You obviously do not understand electrical units!
>>
>> Now other than your very obvious thread title displaying not knowing the
>> difference between power and energy... where did you get the ridiculous
>> idea you would ever "break even" on this investment?
>>
>> If you put out $1,000 for the materials and installation the lost
>> investment interest on that, alone would come to ( I am being kind.. I
>> average more like 9-10%)
>> $1000 x 5% = $50 per year.
>>
>> In your "15 year payback time", you bragged, the interest lost would
>> amount to $,250 (uncompounded even). In the time you take to
>> "break-even" you will have repair and probably be replacing some of
>> these panels with new ones. I doubt your grid-tie will survive the 15
>> years, especially with that poor quality European energy, it is attached
>> to.
>>
>> In short, until systems get a lot cheaper the payback time is "until
>> death do us part". Then it will cost your estate to have it removed.
>> BTW: In America you would be removing that system to sell your house
>> unless you want to deep discount it. Everybody wants one but to start
>> fresh with their own. This will change.
>>
>>
>> I have some swamp land to sell you in Florida. Absolutely no crocodiles,
>> guaranteed.
>>
>>
>>
>> mike
>>
>>
>>
> Investment 11690€ net
Gross?