Posted by Tom P on April 7, 2011, 8:30 am
On 04/07/2011 12:37 AM, Peter Franks wrote:
> On 4/6/2011 1:49 PM, Tom P wrote:
>> On 04/06/2011 09:28 PM, Peter Franks wrote:
>>> On 4/6/2011 11:48 AM, Tom P wrote:
>>>> On 04/06/2011 07:43 PM, Peter Franks wrote:
>>>>> On 4/6/2011 7:52 AM, Tom P wrote:
>>>>>> On 04/05/2011 06:00 PM, m II wrote:
>>>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>>>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> After exactly 8 weeks operation, our rooftop solar panel
>>>>>>>> installation
>>>>>>>> has just clocked up its first 500 kilowatt hours - a spectacular
>>>>>>>> result for an installation in central Europe in winter.
>>>>>>>> Specifications:
>>>>>>>> - 17x Schuco MPE 185 MS 05 Blackline panels,
>>>>>>>> total collector area 21.7 m2
>>>>>>>> - Diehl 4300 TL grid feed-in inverter
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You obviously do not understand electrical units!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now other than your very obvious thread title displaying not knowing
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> difference between power and energy... where did you get the
>>>>>>> ridiculous
>>>>>>> idea you would ever "break even" on this investment?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you put out $1,000 for the materials and installation the lost
>>>>>>> investment interest on that, alone would come to ( I am being
>>>>>>> kind.. I
>>>>>>> average more like 9-10%)
>>>>>>> $1000 x 5% = $50 per year.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In your "15 year payback time", you bragged, the interest lost would
>>>>>>> amount to $,250 (uncompounded even). In the time you take to
>>>>>>> "break-even" you will have repair and probably be replacing some of
>>>>>>> these panels with new ones. I doubt your grid-tie will survive
>>>>>>> the 15
>>>>>>> years, especially with that poor quality European energy, it is
>>>>>>> attached
>>>>>>> to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In short, until systems get a lot cheaper the payback time is "until
>>>>>>> death do us part". Then it will cost your estate to have it removed.
>>>>>>> BTW: In America you would be removing that system to sell your house
>>>>>>> unless you want to deep discount it. Everybody wants one but to
>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>> fresh with their own. This will change.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have some swamp land to sell you in Florida. Absolutely no
>>>>>>> crocodiles,
>>>>>>> guaranteed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> mike
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Investment 11690€ net
>>>>>
>>>>> Gross?
>>>>
>>>> Alle angaben ohne MwSt
>>>
>>> ?!
>>>
>>> All information without VAT
>>>
>>> What's is hard about this? What was the gross cost?!
>>
>> Just add 19%. But it's irrelevant. You're running a business,
>> everything's net. You claim back the VAT for the expenditure, and render
>> the VAT on the revenue.
> No subsidies?
Subsidies? I don't get subsidies. The capital investment is all mine.
Posted by Peter Franks on April 7, 2011, 1:36 pm
On 4/7/2011 1:30 AM, Tom P wrote:
> On 04/07/2011 12:37 AM, Peter Franks wrote:
>> On 4/6/2011 1:49 PM, Tom P wrote:
>>> On 04/06/2011 09:28 PM, Peter Franks wrote:
>>>> On 4/6/2011 11:48 AM, Tom P wrote:
>>>>> On 04/06/2011 07:43 PM, Peter Franks wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/6/2011 7:52 AM, Tom P wrote:
>>>>>>> On 04/05/2011 06:00 PM, m II wrote:
>>>>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>>>>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> After exactly 8 weeks operation, our rooftop solar panel
>>>>>>>>> installation
>>>>>>>>> has just clocked up its first 500 kilowatt hours - a spectacular
>>>>>>>>> result for an installation in central Europe in winter.
>>>>>>>>> Specifications:
>>>>>>>>> - 17x Schuco MPE 185 MS 05 Blackline panels,
>>>>>>>>> total collector area 21.7 m2
>>>>>>>>> - Diehl 4300 TL grid feed-in inverter
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You obviously do not understand electrical units!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now other than your very obvious thread title displaying not
>>>>>>>> knowing
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> difference between power and energy... where did you get the
>>>>>>>> ridiculous
>>>>>>>> idea you would ever "break even" on this investment?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you put out $1,000 for the materials and installation the lost
>>>>>>>> investment interest on that, alone would come to ( I am being
>>>>>>>> kind.. I
>>>>>>>> average more like 9-10%)
>>>>>>>> $1000 x 5% = $50 per year.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In your "15 year payback time", you bragged, the interest lost
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> amount to $,250 (uncompounded even). In the time you take to
>>>>>>>> "break-even" you will have repair and probably be replacing some of
>>>>>>>> these panels with new ones. I doubt your grid-tie will survive
>>>>>>>> the 15
>>>>>>>> years, especially with that poor quality European energy, it is
>>>>>>>> attached
>>>>>>>> to.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In short, until systems get a lot cheaper the payback time is
>>>>>>>> "until
>>>>>>>> death do us part". Then it will cost your estate to have it
>>>>>>>> removed.
>>>>>>>> BTW: In America you would be removing that system to sell your
>>>>>>>> house
>>>>>>>> unless you want to deep discount it. Everybody wants one but to
>>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>>> fresh with their own. This will change.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have some swamp land to sell you in Florida. Absolutely no
>>>>>>>> crocodiles,
>>>>>>>> guaranteed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> mike
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Investment 11690€ net
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gross?
>>>>>
>>>>> Alle angaben ohne MwSt
>>>>
>>>> ?!
>>>>
>>>> All information without VAT
>>>>
>>>> What's is hard about this? What was the gross cost?!
>>>
>>> Just add 19%. But it's irrelevant. You're running a business,
>>> everything's net. You claim back the VAT for the expenditure, and render
>>> the VAT on the revenue.
>>
>> No subsidies?
> Subsidies? I don't get subsidies. The capital investment is all mine.
I thought you said this was a business. Now you say the investment is
'all yours'.
Which is it?
Posted by Tom P on April 7, 2011, 8:34 pm
On 04/07/2011 03:36 PM, Peter Franks wrote:
> On 4/7/2011 1:30 AM, Tom P wrote:
>> On 04/07/2011 12:37 AM, Peter Franks wrote:
>>> On 4/6/2011 1:49 PM, Tom P wrote:
>>>> On 04/06/2011 09:28 PM, Peter Franks wrote:
>>>>> On 4/6/2011 11:48 AM, Tom P wrote:
>>>>>> On 04/06/2011 07:43 PM, Peter Franks wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/6/2011 7:52 AM, Tom P wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 04/05/2011 06:00 PM, m II wrote:
>>>>>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>>>>>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> After exactly 8 weeks operation, our rooftop solar panel
>>>>>>>>>> installation
>>>>>>>>>> has just clocked up its first 500 kilowatt hours - a spectacular
>>>>>>>>>> result for an installation in central Europe in winter.
>>>>>>>>>> Specifications:
>>>>>>>>>> - 17x Schuco MPE 185 MS 05 Blackline panels,
>>>>>>>>>> total collector area 21.7 m2
>>>>>>>>>> - Diehl 4300 TL grid feed-in inverter
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You obviously do not understand electrical units!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now other than your very obvious thread title displaying not
>>>>>>>>> knowing
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> difference between power and energy... where did you get the
>>>>>>>>> ridiculous
>>>>>>>>> idea you would ever "break even" on this investment?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you put out $1,000 for the materials and installation the lost
>>>>>>>>> investment interest on that, alone would come to ( I am being
>>>>>>>>> kind.. I
>>>>>>>>> average more like 9-10%)
>>>>>>>>> $1000 x 5% = $50 per year.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In your "15 year payback time", you bragged, the interest lost
>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>> amount to $,250 (uncompounded even). In the time you take to
>>>>>>>>> "break-even" you will have repair and probably be replacing
>>>>>>>>> some of
>>>>>>>>> these panels with new ones. I doubt your grid-tie will survive
>>>>>>>>> the 15
>>>>>>>>> years, especially with that poor quality European energy, it is
>>>>>>>>> attached
>>>>>>>>> to.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In short, until systems get a lot cheaper the payback time is
>>>>>>>>> "until
>>>>>>>>> death do us part". Then it will cost your estate to have it
>>>>>>>>> removed.
>>>>>>>>> BTW: In America you would be removing that system to sell your
>>>>>>>>> house
>>>>>>>>> unless you want to deep discount it. Everybody wants one but to
>>>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>>>> fresh with their own. This will change.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have some swamp land to sell you in Florida. Absolutely no
>>>>>>>>> crocodiles,
>>>>>>>>> guaranteed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> mike
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Investment 11690€ net
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gross?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alle angaben ohne MwSt
>>>>>
>>>>> ?!
>>>>>
>>>>> All information without VAT
>>>>>
>>>>> What's is hard about this? What was the gross cost?!
>>>>
>>>> Just add 19%. But it's irrelevant. You're running a business,
>>>> everything's net. You claim back the VAT for the expenditure, and
>>>> render
>>>> the VAT on the revenue.
>>>
>>> No subsidies?
>>
>> Subsidies? I don't get subsidies. The capital investment is all mine.
> I thought you said this was a business. Now you say the investment is
> 'all yours'.
> Which is it?
Why does it have to be one or the other? It's registered as a business
with the tax office and it's my start capital.
Posted by Peter Franks on April 9, 2011, 2:17 am
On 4/7/2011 1:34 PM, Tom P wrote:
> On 04/07/2011 03:36 PM, Peter Franks wrote:
>> On 4/7/2011 1:30 AM, Tom P wrote:
>>> On 04/07/2011 12:37 AM, Peter Franks wrote:
>>>> On 4/6/2011 1:49 PM, Tom P wrote:
>>>>> On 04/06/2011 09:28 PM, Peter Franks wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/6/2011 11:48 AM, Tom P wrote:
>>>>>>> On 04/06/2011 07:43 PM, Peter Franks wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 4/6/2011 7:52 AM, Tom P wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 04/05/2011 06:00 PM, m II wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>>>>>>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> After exactly 8 weeks operation, our rooftop solar panel
>>>>>>>>>>> installation
>>>>>>>>>>> has just clocked up its first 500 kilowatt hours - a spectacular
>>>>>>>>>>> result for an installation in central Europe in winter.
>>>>>>>>>>> Specifications:
>>>>>>>>>>> - 17x Schuco MPE 185 MS 05 Blackline panels,
>>>>>>>>>>> total collector area 21.7 m2
>>>>>>>>>>> - Diehl 4300 TL grid feed-in inverter
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You obviously do not understand electrical units!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Now other than your very obvious thread title displaying not
>>>>>>>>>> knowing
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> difference between power and energy... where did you get the
>>>>>>>>>> ridiculous
>>>>>>>>>> idea you would ever "break even" on this investment?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you put out $1,000 for the materials and installation the
>>>>>>>>>> lost
>>>>>>>>>> investment interest on that, alone would come to ( I am being
>>>>>>>>>> kind.. I
>>>>>>>>>> average more like 9-10%)
>>>>>>>>>> $1000 x 5% = $50 per year.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In your "15 year payback time", you bragged, the interest lost
>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>> amount to $,250 (uncompounded even). In the time you take to
>>>>>>>>>> "break-even" you will have repair and probably be replacing
>>>>>>>>>> some of
>>>>>>>>>> these panels with new ones. I doubt your grid-tie will survive
>>>>>>>>>> the 15
>>>>>>>>>> years, especially with that poor quality European energy, it is
>>>>>>>>>> attached
>>>>>>>>>> to.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In short, until systems get a lot cheaper the payback time is
>>>>>>>>>> "until
>>>>>>>>>> death do us part". Then it will cost your estate to have it
>>>>>>>>>> removed.
>>>>>>>>>> BTW: In America you would be removing that system to sell your
>>>>>>>>>> house
>>>>>>>>>> unless you want to deep discount it. Everybody wants one but to
>>>>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>>>>> fresh with their own. This will change.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have some swamp land to sell you in Florida. Absolutely no
>>>>>>>>>> crocodiles,
>>>>>>>>>> guaranteed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> mike
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Investment 11690€ net
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gross?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alle angaben ohne MwSt
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All information without VAT
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What's is hard about this? What was the gross cost?!
>>>>>
>>>>> Just add 19%. But it's irrelevant. You're running a business,
>>>>> everything's net. You claim back the VAT for the expenditure, and
>>>>> render
>>>>> the VAT on the revenue.
>>>>
>>>> No subsidies?
>>>
>>> Subsidies? I don't get subsidies. The capital investment is all mine.
>>
>> I thought you said this was a business. Now you say the investment is
>> 'all yours'.
>>
>> Which is it?
> Why does it have to be one or the other? It's registered as a business
> with the tax office and it's my start capital.
It makes a difference which it is. If a business (expense), it can be
used as a deduction; personal, no such thing. In the end, it can make a
sizable impact as to the total cost.
Secondly, an individual will probably finance the expense, meaning
interest, translating into a greater expense.
So, take your 11690 + VAT (2221) + interest (5900, 10yrs @ 7.5%) and you
come up w/ a total cost of 19811 which is approaching TWICE your
original net quote.
Not cheap bro, not cheap.
Posted by Giga2 on April 9, 2011, 7:01 am
> On 4/7/2011 1:34 PM, Tom P wrote:
>> On 04/07/2011 03:36 PM, Peter Franks wrote:
>>> On 4/7/2011 1:30 AM, Tom P wrote:
>>>> On 04/07/2011 12:37 AM, Peter Franks wrote:
>>>>> On 4/6/2011 1:49 PM, Tom P wrote:
>>>>>> On 04/06/2011 09:28 PM, Peter Franks wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/6/2011 11:48 AM, Tom P wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 04/06/2011 07:43 PM, Peter Franks wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 4/6/2011 7:52 AM, Tom P wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 04/05/2011 06:00 PM, m II wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>>>>>>>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> After exactly 8 weeks operation, our rooftop solar panel
>>>>>>>>>>>> installation
>>>>>>>>>>>> has just clocked up its first 500 kilowatt hours - a
>>>>>>>>>>>> spectacular
>>>>>>>>>>>> result for an installation in central Europe in winter.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Specifications:
>>>>>>>>>>>> - 17x Schuco MPE 185 MS 05 Blackline panels,
>>>>>>>>>>>> total collector area 21.7 m2
>>>>>>>>>>>> - Diehl 4300 TL grid feed-in inverter
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You obviously do not understand electrical units!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Now other than your very obvious thread title displaying not
>>>>>>>>>>> knowing
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> difference between power and energy... where did you get the
>>>>>>>>>>> ridiculous
>>>>>>>>>>> idea you would ever "break even" on this investment?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you put out $1,000 for the materials and installation the
>>>>>>>>>>> lost
>>>>>>>>>>> investment interest on that, alone would come to ( I am being
>>>>>>>>>>> kind.. I
>>>>>>>>>>> average more like 9-10%)
>>>>>>>>>>> $1000 x 5% = $50 per year.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In your "15 year payback time", you bragged, the interest lost
>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>> amount to $,250 (uncompounded even). In the time you take to
>>>>>>>>>>> "break-even" you will have repair and probably be replacing
>>>>>>>>>>> some of
>>>>>>>>>>> these panels with new ones. I doubt your grid-tie will survive
>>>>>>>>>>> the 15
>>>>>>>>>>> years, especially with that poor quality European energy, it is
>>>>>>>>>>> attached
>>>>>>>>>>> to.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In short, until systems get a lot cheaper the payback time is
>>>>>>>>>>> "until
>>>>>>>>>>> death do us part". Then it will cost your estate to have it
>>>>>>>>>>> removed.
>>>>>>>>>>> BTW: In America you would be removing that system to sell your
>>>>>>>>>>> house
>>>>>>>>>>> unless you want to deep discount it. Everybody wants one but to
>>>>>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>>>>>> fresh with their own. This will change.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have some swamp land to sell you in Florida. Absolutely no
>>>>>>>>>>> crocodiles,
>>>>>>>>>>> guaranteed.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> mike
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Investment 11690€ net
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gross?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alle angaben ohne MwSt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ?!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All information without VAT
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What's is hard about this? What was the gross cost?!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just add 19%. But it's irrelevant. You're running a business,
>>>>>> everything's net. You claim back the VAT for the expenditure, and
>>>>>> render
>>>>>> the VAT on the revenue.
>>>>>
>>>>> No subsidies?
>>>>
>>>> Subsidies? I don't get subsidies. The capital investment is all mine.
>>>
>>> I thought you said this was a business. Now you say the investment is
>>> 'all yours'.
>>>
>>> Which is it?
>> Why does it have to be one or the other? It's registered as a business
>> with the tax office and it's my start capital.
> It makes a difference which it is. If a business (expense), it can be
> used as a deduction; personal, no such thing. In the end, it can make a
> sizable impact as to the total cost.
> Secondly, an individual will probably finance the expense, meaning
> interest, translating into a greater expense.
> So, take your 11690 + VAT (2221) + interest (5900, 10yrs @ 7.5%) and you
> come up w/ a total cost of 19811 which is approaching TWICE your original
> net quote.
I bet in Germany you can put it on your mortgage, which is probably fixed
around 4%. In the UK you probably could as well, it is a home-improvement
with a 10years guarantee afterall.
> Not cheap bro, not cheap.
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>> On 04/06/2011 09:28 PM, Peter Franks wrote:
>>> On 4/6/2011 11:48 AM, Tom P wrote:
>>>> On 04/06/2011 07:43 PM, Peter Franks wrote:
>>>>> On 4/6/2011 7:52 AM, Tom P wrote:
>>>>>> On 04/05/2011 06:00 PM, m II wrote:
>>>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>>>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> After exactly 8 weeks operation, our rooftop solar panel
>>>>>>>> installation
>>>>>>>> has just clocked up its first 500 kilowatt hours - a spectacular
>>>>>>>> result for an installation in central Europe in winter.
>>>>>>>> Specifications:
>>>>>>>> - 17x Schuco MPE 185 MS 05 Blackline panels,
>>>>>>>> total collector area 21.7 m2
>>>>>>>> - Diehl 4300 TL grid feed-in inverter
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You obviously do not understand electrical units!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now other than your very obvious thread title displaying not knowing
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> difference between power and energy... where did you get the
>>>>>>> ridiculous
>>>>>>> idea you would ever "break even" on this investment?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you put out $1,000 for the materials and installation the lost
>>>>>>> investment interest on that, alone would come to ( I am being
>>>>>>> kind.. I
>>>>>>> average more like 9-10%)
>>>>>>> $1000 x 5% = $50 per year.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In your "15 year payback time", you bragged, the interest lost would
>>>>>>> amount to $,250 (uncompounded even). In the time you take to
>>>>>>> "break-even" you will have repair and probably be replacing some of
>>>>>>> these panels with new ones. I doubt your grid-tie will survive
>>>>>>> the 15
>>>>>>> years, especially with that poor quality European energy, it is
>>>>>>> attached
>>>>>>> to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In short, until systems get a lot cheaper the payback time is "until
>>>>>>> death do us part". Then it will cost your estate to have it removed.
>>>>>>> BTW: In America you would be removing that system to sell your house
>>>>>>> unless you want to deep discount it. Everybody wants one but to
>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>> fresh with their own. This will change.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have some swamp land to sell you in Florida. Absolutely no
>>>>>>> crocodiles,
>>>>>>> guaranteed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> mike
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Investment 11690€ net
>>>>>
>>>>> Gross?
>>>>
>>>> Alle angaben ohne MwSt
>>>
>>> ?!
>>>
>>> All information without VAT
>>>
>>> What's is hard about this? What was the gross cost?!
>>
>> Just add 19%. But it's irrelevant. You're running a business,
>> everything's net. You claim back the VAT for the expenditure, and render
>> the VAT on the revenue.
> No subsidies?