Posted by Giga2 on April 6, 2011, 7:20 pm
> On 04/05/2011 06:00 PM, m II wrote:
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>>> After exactly 8 weeks operation, our rooftop solar panel installation
>>> has just clocked up its first 500 kilowatt hours - a spectacular
>>> result for an installation in central Europe in winter.
>>> Specifications:
>>> - 17x Schuco MPE 185 MS 05 Blackline panels,
>>> total collector area 21.7 m2
>>> - Diehl 4300 TL grid feed-in inverter
>>>
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>> You obviously do not understand electrical units!
>>
>> Now other than your very obvious thread title displaying not knowing the
>> difference between power and energy... where did you get the ridiculous
>> idea you would ever "break even" on this investment?
>>
>> If you put out $1,000 for the materials and installation the lost
>> investment interest on that, alone would come to ( I am being kind.. I
>> average more like 9-10%)
>> $1000 x 5% = $50 per year.
>>
>> In your "15 year payback time", you bragged, the interest lost would
>> amount to $,250 (uncompounded even). In the time you take to
>> "break-even" you will have repair and probably be replacing some of
>> these panels with new ones. I doubt your grid-tie will survive the 15
>> years, especially with that poor quality European energy, it is attached
>> to.
>>
>> In short, until systems get a lot cheaper the payback time is "until
>> death do us part". Then it will cost your estate to have it removed.
>> BTW: In America you would be removing that system to sell your house
>> unless you want to deep discount it. Everybody wants one but to start
>> fresh with their own. This will change.
>>
>>
>> I have some swamp land to sell you in Florida. Absolutely no crocodiles,
>> guaranteed.
>>
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>>
>> mike
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> Investment 11690 net
> Predicted output/yr 2.600 Kw
> FIT 0.28/Kw
> Revenue 728+
> insurance 88-
> maintenance 100-
> ---
> Balance 560 profit
> Writeoff PA 5% 584
> Balance 22 loss
> Taxable profit zero
> ROI 4.79% tax free
No wonder it already booming in Germany!
Posted by Desertphile on April 5, 2011, 5:36 pm
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> After exactly 8 weeks operation, our rooftop solar panel installation
> has just clocked up its first 500 kilowatt hours - a spectacular result
> for an installation in central Europe in winter.
> Specifications:
> - 17x Schuco MPE 185 MS 05 Blackline panels,
> total collector area 21.7 m2
> - Diehl 4300 TL grid feed-in inverter
Way cool. I get all of my electricity from 18 photovoltaic panels.
The monastery has over 300!
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Posted by Peter Franks on April 5, 2011, 7:14 pm
On 4/5/2011 2:10 AM, Tom P wrote:
> After exactly 8 weeks operation, our rooftop solar panel installation
> has just clocked up its first 500 kilowatt hours - a spectacular result
> for an installation in central Europe in winter.
> Specifications:
> - 17x Schuco MPE 185 MS 05 Blackline panels,
> total collector area 21.7 m2
> - Diehl 4300 TL grid feed-in inverter
What was the installed cost (/total/ cost, including out of pocket,
incentives, rebates, etc.)?
I live in Las Vegas, a *perfect* place to install PV. Last time I
seriously looked (few years ago), out of pocket installed cost was
around $0K USD, including rebates. Conclusion: not cost effective.
I'm in to PV for ONE THING: save $$. I don't care about the technology
(I find it ugly), and we have local hydro (although only a small
percentage is used for local power, most goes to CA), so environmental
impact is at or near zero.
Posted by Bruce Richmond on April 6, 2011, 1:21 am
> After exactly 8 weeks operation, our rooftop solar panel installation
> has just clocked up its first 500 kilowatt hours - a spectacular result
> for an installation in central Europe in winter.
> Specifications:
> - 17x Schuco MPE 185 MS 05 Blackline panels,
> total collector area 21.7 m2
> - Diehl 4300 TL grid feed-in inverter
Congrats! You have done a good thing. I hope your return on
investment goes as planned. Despite being a skeptic about the extent
of AGW I am in complete agreement that fossil fuels are a finite
resource and that we need to find other means of providing our energy.
Bruce
Posted by rasterspace on April 6, 2011, 1:30 am
well, Fossilized Fuels is just a tradename;
it has exactly no technical meaning, unless
you consider the old idea that "sediments pile-up
on the seafloor, and their weight creates 'petroleumTM.'"
waht is the total life-cycle cost of these 17 units, or
just the total energy of manufacture & shipping & installation,
for starters?
note that the only difference between biodieselTM and
"regular," is teh bouquet of particular plants (see this illustrated
in the "edudocumentary, Fuel!")
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>>> After exactly 8 weeks operation, our rooftop solar panel installation
>>> has just clocked up its first 500 kilowatt hours - a spectacular
>>> result for an installation in central Europe in winter.
>>> Specifications:
>>> - 17x Schuco MPE 185 MS 05 Blackline panels,
>>> total collector area 21.7 m2
>>> - Diehl 4300 TL grid feed-in inverter
>>>
>>
>> You obviously do not understand electrical units!
>>
>> Now other than your very obvious thread title displaying not knowing the
>> difference between power and energy... where did you get the ridiculous
>> idea you would ever "break even" on this investment?
>>
>> If you put out $1,000 for the materials and installation the lost
>> investment interest on that, alone would come to ( I am being kind.. I
>> average more like 9-10%)
>> $1000 x 5% = $50 per year.
>>
>> In your "15 year payback time", you bragged, the interest lost would
>> amount to $,250 (uncompounded even). In the time you take to
>> "break-even" you will have repair and probably be replacing some of
>> these panels with new ones. I doubt your grid-tie will survive the 15
>> years, especially with that poor quality European energy, it is attached
>> to.
>>
>> In short, until systems get a lot cheaper the payback time is "until
>> death do us part". Then it will cost your estate to have it removed.
>> BTW: In America you would be removing that system to sell your house
>> unless you want to deep discount it. Everybody wants one but to start
>> fresh with their own. This will change.
>>
>>
>> I have some swamp land to sell you in Florida. Absolutely no crocodiles,
>> guaranteed.
>>
>>
>>
>> mike
>>
>>
>>
> Investment 11690 net
> Predicted output/yr 2.600 Kw
> FIT 0.28/Kw
> Revenue 728+
> insurance 88-
> maintenance 100-
> ---
> Balance 560 profit
> Writeoff PA 5% 584
> Balance 22 loss
> Taxable profit zero
> ROI 4.79% tax free