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Posted by vaughn on November 22, 2009, 6:27 pm

   Have you driven across Texas lately?  There is *lots* of space left in the
world for more people.  That said, that does not mean that increasing the
world's human population is a good idea.

   To seme extent, this has always been true.  That is why we have immigration
laws (ineffective as they may be).

     The odds are, none of us will live long enough to see it.  (good news/bad


Posted by harry on November 27, 2009, 7:19 pm

Personally I think the "tipping point" is near.  There's nowhere left

I have never been to Texas.  However from Hollywood propaganda it
seems to be mostly uninhabitable (desert).
If the fuel shortage don't bring disaster, the water shortage will.

Posted by Morris Dovey on November 27, 2009, 7:35 pm

harry wrote:

That's a bit like stereotyping the UK from watching "Black Adder". :-D

Texas has a mixture of about every terrain and climate you can imagine -
and the folks to our north seem to delight in pointing out that there's
room in Ontario for the entire present population of the planet -
without crowding.

Last time I looked, the planet didn't seem short on water - it's just
not always exactly where we want it. :)

Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA

Posted by harry on November 28, 2009, 9:39 pm

Blackadder is exactly like the present UK government. A more prophetic
TV series would be hard to find.  Every character in "Blackadder" is
to be found in our crooked, lying, scumbag government.
You have got rid of your scumbag gov. we won't get chance 'til next
year.  I have to tell you, our alternative seems to be a real slippery
customer.  I don't feel optimistic.
I have visited the USA to meet up with someone I met on Google groups
& I know that Hollywood is all lies.
I mean we watch NCSI and CSI here in the UK. But there are no FAT and
UGLY people depicted. Whereas in the US it seemed to me that 50% of
the folks were fat or ugly.  Some poor sods were both.
Having said that everyone was very kind and generous to me.
 Strangely they nearly all had machine guns in the basement. Maybe
they don't like their neighbours.

Posted by Morris Dovey on November 28, 2009, 11:31 pm

harry wrote:

Ah yes, and just how do you suppose people over here (most of whom are
essentially ignorant of the political doings in the UK) are able to
relate to it? :)

And yet there's some cause for optimism - not that either government
will miraculously behave well - but that ordinary citizenry in all
countries will continue to do their best to live up to their own ideals
and principles.

It seems to be fundamental that those who think they'd like to be the
center of attention gravitate to politics and government and that those
same people develop the skills that win elections. Regrettably, they
don't generally seem to have whatever it takes to use those skills for
the benefit of their constituents.

Well of course - fiction is their primary industry! It's important to
not lose sight of that...

Agreed - but again, fiction is a /product/ and the fiction factories are
in the business of producing a product they think will sell - and it's a
lot easier to sell handsome/beautiful than fat/ugly.

Superficially at least, 50% of every population falls into the "below
average" catagory...

...and beyond superficialities, it's still possible for the "average"
person to hold to high ideals and do their best to practice those ideals
in everyday life. My limited observations have convinced me this is true
everywhere in the world. As an American, I'm pleased that you were
treated well here - as I hope you might be pleased to hear that I've
been well-treated in the UK (and everywhere else I've had opportunity to
visit and get to know people).

I suspect that they like their neighbors about as much and as little as
people everywhere like their neighbors - and probably for more or less
the same reasons. I can assure you that not liking a neighbor hardly
ever results in shooting. :)

I've never seen a full-automatic weapon outside of an official military
or museum context, although I'm aware that a number of "souvenir" AK-47s
were brought back from Viet Nam.

There /are/ a lot of firearms in the US - and I think there are
comprehensible reasons, and although I'm willing to discuss it
one-on-one, I doubt that usenet would be a particularly good choice of
venues for that dialog.

Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA

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