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Posted by harry on November 29, 2009, 8:36 pm

In the UK you can go to university & study politics.   I imagine they
must study the topics of lies and deceit, how not to answer a
question, how to maximise one's expenses etc.   They get their heads
together and come up with ridiculous ideas and because none of them
has ever seen the real world, they work it up to some no-brainer
Personally I don't think you should be in government unless you're
fifty years old & have had time to accumulate some common sense.
We now have this encroaching canker of career politicians inflicted on
us  bent only in maximising their own fame and fortune.

Posted by vaughn on November 29, 2009, 9:32 pm

You can do that in the US also.

In what field of education is this not true?  Except for those who get their
education late in life (like myself) everybody emerges from college with a basic
education in their field, but short of real-world experience.

Perhaps so, but that decision is up to the voters; not just you and me.

This is how it has been since at least the middle ages; and folks have been
making the same complaint for at least that long.


Posted by Morris Dovey on November 29, 2009, 10:21 pm

harry wrote:

My view is not quite as jaundiced as all that. Those things don't really
require university-level study. I would guess rather that the study is
more directed toward the various forms and structures of government, at
least a smattering of law, and not enough history for the students to
gain the wisdom that comes with an understanding of the consequences of
the choices they will make.

Ah, you touch on the lack-of-wisdom problem. On the other hand, how can
we reasonably expect wisdom of a young person just leaving school?

We can, however, reasonably expect them to at least know what does and
does not constitute ethical behavior, and insist that they conduct
themselves accordingly. If/when they do not, then it is /our/ (your and
my) responsibility to exercise all legal options to deny them the
opportunity for future unwise/unethical behavior.

The operative expression in the US is: "Throw the bums out!"

Regrettably, common sense isn't - and time doesn't bring it, hence the
old adage that "There's no fool like an old fool."

Methinks this is likely to have been a problem since before the first
mammoth was sketched on a cave wall.

It seems to me that the only civilized remedy is to replace the unworthy
ones with those who are more worthy. It requires effort and the exercise
of both courage and good judgment on the part of the electorate. Perhaps
ordinary citizens need to become (and remain) more involved in the
candidate selection process.

Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA

Posted by Jim Wilkins on November 27, 2009, 7:46 pm

I have.

Drove over from Shrevesport, got out at the border and took a leak,
then drove back.


Posted by vaughn on November 28, 2009, 11:00 pm

Dance all you want.  It was you who wrote::"There's nowhere left  to export
surplus population".  I think I, and at least one other, have made the point
that there are plenty of places to export surplus population.  Energy & water
are other matters for discussion, but we are NOT yet running out of real estate.

I said nothing about "farms".  Actually I wrote "poor farmland".  While there is
some agriculture in the area, the land I was describing is 99% unused real
estate; miles and miles of nothing but miles and miles.  Western Texas is so
massive and so empty that if you haven't seen it with your own eyes, it is truly
hard for the human mind to comprehend.

I will leave that to you.


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