Posted by harry on November 29, 2009, 3:28 pm
wrote:
> > Hah! Even with the population we have, many are living in unsuitable
> > places. The only reason they can do it is that they are sustained by
> > cheap fossil fuel.
> > You can't drink seawater. Cheap fossil fuel can make it drinkable but
> > as we all know it's gonna run out at some point.
> Dance all you want. It was you who wrote::"There's nowhere left to export
> surplus population". I think I, and at least one other, have made the point
> that there are plenty of places to export surplus population. Energy & water
> are other matters for discussion, but we are NOT yet running out of real
estate.
> > The farms mentioned above are only there ...
> I said nothing about "farms". Actually I wrote "poor farmland". While there
is
> some agriculture in the area, the land I was describing is 99% unused real
> estate; miles and miles of nothing but miles and miles. Western Texas is so
> massive and so empty that if you haven't seen it with your own eyes, it is
truly
> hard for the human mind to comprehend.
> > You might want to plot your graphs & see whether we run out of water
> > first or fuel.
> I will leave that to you.
> Vaughn
I have travelled extensively in Australia. Dwarfs even Texas. There
used to be a "farm" there that was bigger than the whole of Texas.
So I can probably comprehend little old Texas as we crossed
Australia by bus. Largely uninhabitable in the middle bit. It took
many days and it became very boring.
I have also crossed the Sahara desert. Even more uninhabitable. But
actually more interesting (geographically & ethnically).
These areas were once fertile well watered plains and not too long ago
in the Sahara. Interesting to see the effects of desertification.
The point I am making is population can't be exported to the remaining
uninhabitable areas.
So whilst there might be vacant "real estate" in Texas and elsewhere
it may just as well not exist. It is valueless except perhaps for
mineral wealth.
Posted by Curbie on November 23, 2009, 1:09 pm
>Well, regardless of all the curves, at some point they will cross and
>there will be starvation/wars/mass population migration. It's just a
>question of which curve(s) you pick.
>Also addtional factors keep on creeping in.
>Like global warming & sea levels rising (if true)
>Also to have/not have global wars.
>Pestilence. (AIDS/flu)
>Human ingenuity tends to increase population rather than the reverse.
>I suppose all this is what the futurists mean by chaos.
>Aid to foreign countries is counter-productive unless they control
>their populations.
For me anyway, this hits the nail on the head.
>Personally I think the "tipping point" is near. There's nowhere left
>to export surplus population. We just have to keep the starving
>masses from our own countries or they will destroy us.
>The end of the world is nigh. Tee Hee!
My crystal-ball has never worked worth a darn, but my computer works
just fine, and consistent population growth with fixed recourses is
mathematically impossible over time.
Curbie
Posted by Josepi on November 23, 2009, 1:19 pm
This is all bulogney! I had two parents, four grandparents, eight
greatgrandparents and so forth!
There were many more people in the world in previous generations. There is
only one of ME!
> >Well, regardless of all the curves, at some point they will cross and
>>there will be starvation/wars/mass population migration. It's just a
>>question of which curve(s) you pick.
>>Also addtional factors keep on creeping in.
>>Like global warming & sea levels rising (if true)
>>Also to have/not have global wars.
>>Pestilence. (AIDS/flu)
>>Human ingenuity tends to increase population rather than the reverse.
>>I suppose all this is what the futurists mean by chaos.
>>Aid to foreign countries is counter-productive unless they control
>>their populations.
> For me anyway, this hits the nail on the head.
>>Personally I think the "tipping point" is near. There's nowhere left
>>to export surplus population. We just have to keep the starving
>>masses from our own countries or they will destroy us.
>>The end of the world is nigh. Tee Hee!
> My crystal-ball has never worked worth a darn, but my computer works
> just fine, and consistent population growth with fixed recourses is
> mathematically impossible over time.
> Curbie
>
Posted by Johnny B Good on November 23, 2009, 2:05 pm
> This is all bulogney! I had two parents, four grandparents, eight
> greatgrandparents and so forth!
> There were many more people in the world in previous generations. There is
> only one of ME!
Thank goodnes for that! (Or, did you forget the smiley? ;-)
--
Regards, John.
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Posted by Josepi on November 23, 2009, 3:08 pm
It was inplied and should have been obvious...LOL (better? I can't do ascii
art)
> Thank goodnes for that! (Or, did you forget the smiley? ;-)
> --
> Regards, John.
>> This is all bulogney! I had two parents, four grandparents, eight
>> greatgrandparents and so forth!
>> There were many more people in the world in previous generations. There
>> is
>> only one of ME!
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> > places. The only reason they can do it is that they are sustained by
> > cheap fossil fuel.
> > You can't drink seawater. Cheap fossil fuel can make it drinkable but
> > as we all know it's gonna run out at some point.
> Dance all you want. It was you who wrote::"There's nowhere left to export
> surplus population". I think I, and at least one other, have made the point
> that there are plenty of places to export surplus population. Energy & water
> are other matters for discussion, but we are NOT yet running out of real