Posted by Bruce in alaska on July 10, 2010, 7:33 pm
> Once I found a two-gallon steel can that had rusted out in the
> bottom and allowed it's entire contents to dribble out onto the
> floor.
Just a few NOTES here:
1. Gasoline does NOT cause Rust in Steel Cans. It is the Water than get
in the Gas, and then separates out and sinks to the bottom, that causes
rust in Steel Cans.
2. If you SEAL the Steel containers, then no water will get in, and it
will NOT cause any rust to form inside the SEALED container.
3. If you want Gasoline with NO Ethanol in it, go out to your local
Airport and buy some 80/87 Low Lead Aviation Gasoline. The FAA does NOT
allow ANY ethanol in AVGAS, PERIOD.
4. If you buy AVGAS, you do NOT need StaBil in it, to keep it from
breaking down. If you then store it in any Kind of SEALED Container,
it will store for YEARS, with no degradation.
5. Diesel can be stored for DECADES in SEALED containers with no
degradation. Again, it is the water that separates out of the fuel
that causes ALL the storage problems with diesel, including any Bug
contamination. The bugs live and grow on the fuel/water boundary.
No water, No Bugs.
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Bruce in alaska
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Posted by vaughn on July 10, 2010, 8:30 pm
> 2. If you SEAL the Steel containers, then no water will get in, and it
> will NOT cause any rust to form inside the SEALED container.
There are sealed containers and there are SEALED containers. A high quality
steel jerry can tightly closed with a perfect gasket is probably SEALED. The
plastic cans you buy at Home Depot are never really sealed. Mine normally leak
a bit at the cap, even when tightly closed because there are no gasketed
surfaces. I also suspect that they ooze a bit right through the plastic. I
know for a FACT that they breath a bit on hot days because I can smell the faint
odor of gasoline.
Vaughn
Posted by Gunner Asch on July 11, 2010, 12:05 am
wrote:
>> 2. If you SEAL the Steel containers, then no water will get in, and it
>> will NOT cause any rust to form inside the SEALED container.
>>
>There are sealed containers and there are SEALED containers. A high quality
>steel jerry can tightly closed with a perfect gasket is probably SEALED. The
>plastic cans you buy at Home Depot are never really sealed. Mine normally leak
>a bit at the cap, even when tightly closed because there are no gasketed
>surfaces. I also suspect that they ooze a bit right through the plastic. I
>know for a FACT that they breath a bit on hot days because I can smell the
faint
>odor of gasoline.
>Vaughn
Indeed. Which is why I spec'd GI Gas cans. Not GI TYPE gas cans.
Ive had GI Type cans and while some are ok..others..primarily Chinese
ones...are crap.
The newer NATO cans are pretty good too.
Gunner
One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch
Posted by krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz on July 10, 2010, 8:51 pm
>On Fri, 09 Jul 2010 22:46:12 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
>>>I store the trailer cans..on the trailer (my property is well fenced and
>>>I have dogs) and the loose cans are stored in an outbuilding. Most are
>>>kept full, and every couple months, Ill dump 2 cans into the vehicles,
>>>schlep them down and refill them, and place them in the B rack. This
>>>ensures that none go too stale (I also drop a bit of Stabil in each can
>>>when I fill them) and that I have gas on hand.
>>
>>My point was that not everyone has a place to store significant quantities of
>>gas safely. It's not nice stuff to store, in comparison with diesel, for
>>instance.
>>
>So instead of storing 10-20 gallons in steel airtight cans in your
>garage or outside under cover..you keep a plastic 5 gallon can.
WTF are you talking about?
I keep a 2gal plastic can for my lawn mower. That's it.
>Well..if it works for you..go for it.
>>>I learned long ago,...that emergencies of most types..dont give you any
>>>warning signs..and some are so sudden..any other sources of gasoline may
>>>be destroyed/disrupted at the onset.
>>
>>Again, my point.
>So you store 5 gallons instead of a suitable amount.
Please show me where I said any such thing!
>>>I was one of the 9000 victims of the Coalinga Earthquake in 83....and
>>>other "fun" stuff. I live in California...
>>>
>>>Did I mention that all the gas stations were DOWN for a radius of 10
>>>miles?
>>
>>I generally keep enough gas in my vehicles to make 10 miles. ;-)
>So what happens if the outage is more than 10 miles?
You don't read very well.
>Btw...there was (1) gas station in that 10 mile range. The next closet
>one was 32 miles.
So?
>Hope you got enough range to make it to your closest functioning gas
>station when your power is out due to a major distribution outage.
>And there arent 100,000 people between it..and you...and the roads are
>passible.
>And you have cash. Because most of the ATM and card readers may be out.
Cash isn't a problem. I generally have enough in my pocket to buy enough gas
to get across country a few times.
>Shrug.
>Its your life. Do what you will with it.
You clearly missed my point.
>As for me...one of my long time hangouts, is misc.survivalism.
>Both as a teacher and a student.
...obvious.
<...>
Posted by Gunner Asch on July 11, 2010, 12:10 am
On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 15:51:19 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
>>On Fri, 09 Jul 2010 22:46:12 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
>>
>>>>I store the trailer cans..on the trailer (my property is well fenced and
>>>>I have dogs) and the loose cans are stored in an outbuilding. Most are
>>>>kept full, and every couple months, Ill dump 2 cans into the vehicles,
>>>>schlep them down and refill them, and place them in the B rack. This
>>>>ensures that none go too stale (I also drop a bit of Stabil in each can
>>>>when I fill them) and that I have gas on hand.
>>>
>>>My point was that not everyone has a place to store significant quantities of
>>>gas safely. It's not nice stuff to store, in comparison with diesel, for
>>>instance.
>>>
>>So instead of storing 10-20 gallons in steel airtight cans in your
>>garage or outside under cover..you keep a plastic 5 gallon can.
>WTF are you talking about?
>I keep a 2gal plastic can for my lawn mower. That's it.
Odd..I believe you mentioned a '5 gallon can"
If thats not true, then you are even dumber than I originally thought.
So my friend..hows the view from up there in the clouds?
>
>>Well..if it works for you..go for it.
>>
>>>>I learned long ago,...that emergencies of most types..dont give you any
>>>>warning signs..and some are so sudden..any other sources of gasoline may
>>>>be destroyed/disrupted at the onset.
>>>
>>>Again, my point.
>>
>>So you store 5 gallons instead of a suitable amount.
>Please show me where I said any such thing!
>>>>I was one of the 9000 victims of the Coalinga Earthquake in 83....and
>>>>other "fun" stuff. I live in California...
>>>>
>>>>Did I mention that all the gas stations were DOWN for a radius of 10
>>>>miles?
>>>
>>>I generally keep enough gas in my vehicles to make 10 miles. ;-)
>>
>>So what happens if the outage is more than 10 miles?
>You don't read very well.
From your posts..it would appear that you will simply drive whatever
distance it takes to find an open fuel station, whip out cash and fill
up. No matter how far, nor no matter how unfriendly the territory
between you and it is.
>>Btw...there was (1) gas station in that 10 mile range. The next closet
>>one was 32 miles.
>So?
That question speaks volumes. Sadly.
>>Hope you got enough range to make it to your closest functioning gas
>>station when your power is out due to a major distribution outage.
>>
>>And there arent 100,000 people between it..and you...and the roads are
>>passible.
>>
>>And you have cash. Because most of the ATM and card readers may be out.
>Cash isn't a problem. I generally have enough in my pocket to buy enough gas
>to get across country a few times.
Good on you lad!
>>Shrug.
>>
>>Its your life. Do what you will with it.
>You clearly missed my point.
>>As for me...one of my long time hangouts, is misc.survivalism.
>>
>>Both as a teacher and a student.
>>
>...obvious.
We all teach what we can, and learn from others.
Failure to do so makes one a very poor human being and at worst..a
statistic.
I prefer not to be a statistic.
Ive mentioned before how I took care of my block when the Coalinga
Earthquake leveled most of the town.
One assumes someone on your block will be forced to take care of you.
Shrug
Gunner
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One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch
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> bottom and allowed it's entire contents to dribble out onto the
> floor.