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Posted by gomango on October 21, 2008, 11:58 pm
 


I think silicone will do this job just fine.


Ok, update.....

I spent a good 4 hours studying the design math and theroy of the
banki turbine, and I am now at point where I need to figure out
optimal dia for the end disks.  Im going to construct a 12" X 3.3" for
now, just to test things out.  Once I get a running turbine, I will
refine the math, and go for a smaller turbine tuned for the actual
measured flow.  Who knows.  the 12" might do just fine.  I would
rather have a 8" turbine that turned much faster than a slow-high
torque turbine.  Im still debating this.  I did the layout of the
endplate, and cut the buckets for the 12".  Now I need to do some
fancy cuting to get the end disks slotted for the buckets.  I think
that the nozel will be a bit difficult since the turbine will be
narower than the pipe feeding it, but I think I can manage. The plan
is to use a 3" X 3" square tube to fabricate the nozel from. If any of
you out there have any experiance building a banki turbine, I would
love to share my thinking with you and swap notes.





Posted by Jim Wilkins on October 22, 2008, 8:29 am
 

This sounds like an interesting project. What do you have for machine
tools?

Posted by Ken Maltby on October 27, 2008, 4:35 am
 

  Odd values there.

  From my pocket ref:

Using "the Hazen-Williams equation for flow in pipes".
"Feet of Head Loss values are subject to the following
conditions:
a) Pipes carrying clear water at approximately 60 F (15.6 C).
b) Pipes are flowing full.
c) Velocities of water are generally less than 10 feet per second."

For "New Clean" Steel or plastic pipe:

"Head Loss/100 Feet Pipe Due To Friction"
4" Diameter Pipe:
at
30 GPM = 0.1'
40 GPM = 0.1'
50 GPM = 0.2'
60 GPM = 0.3'
70 GPM = 0.3'
80 GPM = 0.4'
90 GPM = 0.5'
100 GPM = 0.7'

150 GPM = 1.4'
200 GPM = 2.4'
250 GPM = 3.6'
300 GPM = 5.1'
400 GPM = 8.6'
500 GPM = 13.0'
600 GPM = 18.3'
700 GPM = 24.3'
800 GPM = 31.1'
900 GPM = 38.6'
1000 GPM = 47.0'
1200 GPM = 65.8'
1500 GPM ™.4'


Luck;
    Ken



Posted by Eric Sears on October 28, 2008, 5:59 am
 On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 03:35:11 -0500, "Ken Maltby"



Ken  - thanks for the numbers. I have just been reading some info
about the Hazen-Williams equation and downloading some nomographs.

My figures are in about the same ballpark as your pipe-loss numbers
above - though I agree, I used "mixed" odd units.
However, 10 litres per sec is about 10 x 60 / 4.5 gallons per min =
133 gallons/min. From your table, this incurs a loss of somewhere
approaching 1.4 ft/ 100 ft ( I guessed about 2 - but I tend to err on
the high side, because few pipelines are ideal - eg bends etc).
Interpolating from your table, 2ft/100ft is closer to 170gallons per
minute, or about 12 litres per sec.

But its good to see some other tables.

Thanks

Eric Sears.

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